Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Live at Billy Bob's Texas (Willie Nelson album)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Withdrawing nomination per GDuwen's improvements and consensus from other editors that said improvements are enough. (non-admin closure) Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 22:24, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Live at Billy Bob's Texas (Willie Nelson album)

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Non-notable album. Didn't chart, no sourcing found. Deprodded because "notability is just your opinion, try citing policy". I thought WP:GNG was a policy? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 00:49, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 00:49, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment your PROD didn't mention WP:GNG, it just said, "Non-notable album", which sounds like an opinion which is not a reasonable reason for deletion. I suggest mentioning WP:GNG, or another policy when PRODing an article. And my actual reason for removing the PROD (which I put in the summary) was ""non notable" sounds like a personal opinion. Cite a Wikipedia guideline in your reasoning". Donald D23   talk to me  02:36, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Well then I apologize for being flippant in my AFD. I had thought that "not notable" would read to most viewers as "seems to fail WP:GNG" but I can see how that was vague. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 18:57, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Semantics aside, I can't find any significant coverage beyond this Allmusic review. If that's all there is then I can't rationalize a "keep" stance... Sergecross73   msg me  20:50, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Delete per Sergecross73. See this. --  interstatefive  (talk) - just another roadgeek 22:51, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Delete - could not find enough sourcing to meet the WP:GNG, nor would I expect to, as live/compilation albums like this often don't garner much in the way of attention from sources. Sergecross73   msg me  01:07, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I stand corrected, sources I didn't expect to exist, were found, and it charted. Sergecross73   msg me  14:43, 2 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment I would say that the article can be further improved with the use of templates for the tracks, and the inclusion of some basic information about the concert and such. (I found a bit of it on Newspapers.com).

Granted, there is not much more to be written here, but the Live at Billy Bob's Texas label has enough releases with articles of their own (I see nine different titles after writing it on the search bar), and upon further inspection most of them did not chart either and the information included is rather basic and unsourced.

Yet, I don't see why are we going to start punching holes in the discographies of artists, nor labels (even though Live at Billy Bob's doesn't have an article of its own, though it should! ). I don't think that redlinking articles randomly is too useful either. I would get to work on this one, but I've been sick for the last few days and I just don't have the energy at the time.-- GDuwen  Holler!  19:20, 27 April 2022 (UTC) Adding to my comment, besides of that Allmusic review, we have two more (1, 2). I would say with three reviews that can be added to the body of the article, there is more reason to keep the article and expand it (I gladly would, but I need at least a few days to get down to it. I pretty much forgot the existence of this entry!).-- GDuwen  Holler!  19:49, 27 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Most live albums don't get attention. The Mavericks have a live album that went gold in Canada, but I couldn't find any real info on it beyond that. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 21:14, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
 * You may have accidentally made a good point - perhaps there's potential for a "Live at Billy Bobs" article to merge these non-notable albums to - beyond the WP:DAB article that currently exists. Sergecross73   msg me  01:07, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
 * There'd be no point in merging if no individual one is notable on their own. They wouldn't be notable in a list, either, given that they were not on a major label nor from a major venue. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 01:09, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
 * It's just a thought if we need a compromise or something. Sergecross73   msg me  01:46, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
 * We already located three different reviews for this release. Those are reliable sources. If two newspapers and one music website wrote reviews, does that not make it notable?-- GD<b style="color:#273BE2">uwen</b> <b style="background:#318CE7; padding:2px; color:cyan"> Holler! </b> 10:16, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Sometimes, when we only have a couple sources, an extremely short article, and "not much more to be written" as you say, content is still merged. Kinda surprised neither one if you are following me here. This shouldn't be a foreign concept at AFD. Sergecross73   msg me  11:02, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
 * And merging all of those articles may indeed be the right solution at the end of the day. But for the time being, I've added the information I've discussed to the body of the article.-- <b style="color:#E62020">GD</b><b style="color:#273BE2">uwen</b> <b style="background:#318CE7; padding:2px; color:cyan"> Holler! </b> 11:34, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
 * It turns out it did appear in three different charts. All visible on the now cited Billboard issue of May 22, 2004.-- <b style="color:#E62020">GD</b><b style="color:#273BE2">uwen</b> <b style="background:#318CE7; padding:2px; color:cyan"> Holler! </b> 18:24, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Wow, good catch. Billboard's website is such a clusterfuck what with the rampant paywalling of charts and sometimes not archiving them at all. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 18:27, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   11:49, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets WP:NALBUM with sources added to the article by GDuwen. They're in-depth and reliable enough IMV. SBKSPP (talk) 01:20, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I initially vied for a redirect, but I'm convinced enough with GDuwen's improvements. SBKSPP (talk) 01:20, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Pinging and :  has greatly improved the article since you voted. Do you think their improvements  are sufficient for the album's notability now? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 14:38, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Ive revised my stance to keep. The sourcing and charts are enough to pass GNG/NALBUMS. Sergecross73   msg me  14:43, 2 May 2022 (UTC)


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