Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Live streaming crimes


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. The issue with including the supposed ethnicities of those involved in the crimes is a matter that can be resolved editorially.  Sandstein  11:46, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Live streaming crimes

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This article should be deleted as it fails WP:NOTDIR as it is a simple listing with no context. See my later comment. -KAP03(Talk &bull;&#32;Contributions) 22:01, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:23, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:23, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:24, 24 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete - as per nom as this is non notable collection of events. Kansiime   (chat)  23:36, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOR. Ajf773 (talk) 08:11, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
 * KEEP and work on it --OSchwarzer (talk) 13:48, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
 * https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jan/27/rising-numbers-of-criminals-are-using-facebook-to-document-their-crimes

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep and encourage improvement. The 2017 Uppsala rape Facebook live streaming incident and 2017 Chicago torture incident, (someone please tell me that the Chicago crime took place in a town named Streamwood by coincidence) together with the technical and legal issues Facebook is encountering in what I take to be good faith efforts to stop this sort of thing make it notable. Article needs improvement.E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:38, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
 * A WP:HEYMANN upgrade is desperately needed. I made a start, will return when possible, but help is appreciated.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:05, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I have started the WP:HEYMANN. The article was a paltry list when I found it, but the topic itself has sort of exploded in recent weeks: we already have 2 articles on recent cases (one rape; one torture) that came to public attention largely because both were live streamed.  It's new, but it's a topic.  2 academic article now in the article were published before livestreaming, but are recent and call attention to the recent online precursors.  Sourcing is now more than sufficient.E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:01, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment It seems this article has been improved past being a list of events with no context and should be kept. -KAP03(Talk &bull;&#32;Contributions) 01:00, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 05:56, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - Without comment on the article's condition when nominated, it's acceptable at this point and I'm seeing plenty of sources to support notability. &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 14:06, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep, WP:HEYMANN applies here. Looks much better now than when it was nominated. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 02:53, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. This article currently appears to present an example of WP:BIAS. Maybe this is only an appearance of bias and is unintentional, but there are specific racial or nationality descriptions of alleged perpetrators and victims listed in an inconsistent way. One of the instances states nationality, others do not. It also describes the alleged perpetrators as "refugees," yet none of the sources in the wikilinked article 2017 Uppsala rape Facebook live streaming incident use that term – this is WP:OR and lacks verification WP:V. One specifically states a person is "white" and others are "African American", whereas in other examples there are no comparable adjectives. This does not seem to represent WP:NPOV. This article names living people, so a higher standard is required per WP:LIVE. As currently written, this article is in contravention of WP policy. Jack N. Stock (talk) 06:37, 8 February 2017 (UTC)


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