Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Liverpool Town Council elections


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The result was keep. If a merge is still desired, a discussion can be started on the talk page. (non-admin closure) ansh 666 02:20, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Liverpool Town Council elections

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This article is simply a brief sentence about how the Council's name changed (which is already covered in the Liverpool City Council article) and a list of around 40 redlinks. It will very likely be deleted, but I'm sending it to AfD because I don't speedy delete unless the article obviously qualifies. Biblio (talk) WikiProject Reforming Wikipedia. 23:52, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
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I agree that this is a predecessor of Liverpool City Council elections, however I would suggest that the difference between a town and city council are significant. I am in the process of obtaining the data to fill the red links for this page. I have today added Liverpool Town Council election, 1879 which is almost complete. The references are links to scans of pages of the reference documents held on Google Drive. I have much of the data going back to 1845 and am working on completing this as much as can be done. The town council goes back to the 1830s and was itself preceded by a 'Common Council'. However, as I'm sure you all appreciate, it does take time to conduct proper research. If this page were to be merged with Liverpool City Council elections, the resultant page may better be named 'Liverpool Council Elections', however this would be inconsistent with the naming of the other election pages within the Local elections in Merseyside template. Considering the expansion of Liverpool (for example the 1895 expansion, see Liverpool City Council election, 1895 and subsequently, consistent parts of the current city previously had separate electoral arrangements, for example the Urban District Councils of Walton, Wavertree and West Derby. Therefore I think it is logical to keep Liverpool Town Council elections. Thank you for your considerations.Pat.moloney (talk) 11:56, 2 July 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * I'm inclined to wait and see if the creator is going to create those articles before deciding that this would make sense to remove. It's a bit of an WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS comment, but current town council elections do have articles - see Hartlepool Borough Council election, 2002 - so there's precedent for the actual articles linked to exist. If they remain red-linked then definitely delete. KaisaL (talk) 00:13, 1 July 2016 (UTC) Will go with merge (with redirect) per User:Number 57. KaisaL (talk) 21:22, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge to Liverpool City Council elections It's the same organisation, just renamed when it got city status. Number   5  7  19:54, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 02:08, 7 July 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * City status is less significant than changes in the structure of local government, such as the creation and abolition of metropolitan county councils. Councils that have only had city status more recently (Preston City Council elections and Sunderland City Council elections) don't have separate pages for when they were borough councils. The appropriate date to cut off is probably in the 1830s when Liverpool became a municipal borough. Peter James (talk) 11:35, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 08:15, 14 July 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: final relist &mdash; Music1201  talk  01:55, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Music1201  talk  01:55, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
 * If there is a prospect of populating the red links we should keep it.Rathfelder (talk) 17:54, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The links can and should be added to Liverpool City Council elections as it's the same organisation, just renamed. Number   5  7  18:21, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. The justification for it being a page to include the links to the individual elections is the standard way we deal with this. I'm convinced by Pat.mahoney's argument  DGG ( talk ) 21:25, 31 July 2016 (UTC)


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