Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Living syndication


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. Attention is drawn to WP:COI: people associated with this band, financially or otherwise, should recuse from making substantial edits to this article. They may revert clear cases of vandalism and engage in discussion on the article's talk page. But equally, an alleged conflict of interest on the part of the article creator is not material, in that a COI is not grounds for deletion. Since there is a consensus that the question of notability has been refuted by the competition win and theme song, no basis on which to delete the article remains. This NAC was brought to you by— S Marshall  Talk / Cont  18:12, 28 October 2009 (UTC)'''

Living syndication

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Does not appear to meet notability guidelines - appears to have been written by the bands frontman - so possible conflict of interest noq (talk) 18:47, 21 October 2009 (UTC) Hi all, I'm the one that added the article because I feel strongly that the band is notable and they are the topic of discussion on many sites and are well known. There are magazines with them, they get airplay on the radio, and they tour with all the other notable artists. I saw an ad on Chordie which had a Wikipedia portion saying that there's no page for Living Syndication yet, which I found odd so I took it upon myself to add it here. I didn't have rights to the media and wanted to make sure that the webmaster for LS would provide those for me (I tried downloading High Res pics from sites but was unsuccessful). In any case, this is not a COI as I do not work for the band at all, nor am I affiliated with them in any way other than the fact that their CD is my changer. I found articles on Wikipedia which reference Living Syndication, which lead me to the conclusion that they should be included on Wikipedia since they are of note. Like many of you, I'm a music fan and I'm technically inclined so the natural thing for me to do when I don't find information on a band that I know is eligible and worthy is to discuss it and/or post it. I've stated references from and including: Their website (for bio info), Newspapers such as the Boston Globe, the Noise (another music magazine) and a book that's being written about Bands (that includes them alongside bands like Aerosmith and Tool). I feel that those are strong enough references. This is my first article and I'm more than willing to learn to make proper edits to be a part of the community, but I'm asking you to show me some leniency in the writing process and just let me know what I can do better to keep my first article. Thank you for your consideration and helpfulness. Pervezt (talk) 20:48, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak delete - It's been covered by a couple of independent sources, but I don't know if those sites are notable enough. LS Records doesn't appear to be a major label. I think it's pretty borderline article really. claims just to be a fan of the band, according to User talk:Noq, so this doesn't really count as COI, does it?   Lord Spongefrog,  (I am the Czar of all Russias!)  19:52, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep sorry LSF but I got to say that this has potential, it has sources and it has a deticated editor to maintain it.-- Coldplay   Expert  21:06, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * KeepAlthough the origin of this article is in question, the band Living Syndication is a highly legitimate band with a remarkable fan base nationwide (USA.) I am not affiliated with the group, although I am highly aware of their presence in my hometown. The listed sources and citations are correct. Perhaps the article could be cleaned up or re-edited by a third-party who is not affiliated with the band? I believe the article to be beneficial along with the hundreds of other Massachusetts area bands listed in Wikipedia for historical purposes. Please consider this before further action is taken. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pumpkinsong (talk • contribs) 22:29, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * In spite of your statement, you haven't explained how it meets WP:BAND or WP:N. Please do this, and I will change my mind depending on the answer.  Just stating that they're legit doesn't mean they're notable. -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 22:51, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. The one review seems to be from a NN blog about indy music - though I could be wrong about the NN.  Doesn't seem to meet WP:BAND. -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 22:50, 21 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment: I have changed the references, to reflect the proper sources. I've also added more notable sources. Could you please reconsider. Thank you.
 * Chanve !vote to weak keep. The sources given are right about at that line. -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 22:05, 26 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep Point taken, however, according to your WP:Band section, an ensemble or musician must meet ONE of the criteria points. Number 9 states "Has won or placed in a major music competition." Well, as pointed out, the band competed and WON a national contest sponsored by at&t. A proper citation was given (#5) and this should be taken into consideration. at&t is a major and well known company, and it goes without saying that their contest would draw a notable amount of voters. If this band was declared winner in that said contest, I would argue that they are notable based upon these facts. Please reconsider and thank you once again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pumpkinsong (talk • contribs) 23:27, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: No need to say keep twice. Although I do note that your edit history indicates a connection with one of the references in the article. Do you have a source that the national competition was a "major music competition"? Oh and by the way, please sign your comments on discussion pages by adding ~ at the end noq (talk) 23:53, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - struck second keep !vote from Pumpkinsong. -- Dennis The Tiger  (Rawr and stuff) 03:07, 22 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep I'm not sure if I can find those exact words that the National AT&T Competition was a "major music competition", but I think the fact that it was a National Contest with 1,800 bands and covered by PR Newswire. The band was selected by Atlantic Records and it was out of 1,800 bands. Here's another link I found PR Newswire Release. From everything I've read, this was not a regional contest but a national one, and I am fairly confident that this can be translated to a major music competition. Thanks for your consideration, please let me know if there's something specific other than exact verbiage that I can provide. I've only Googled contest and it's up everywhere, so I know this was a big deal. To respond to Dennisthe2, the review was only one that I looked up online, it's from a magazine called "The Noise" and I've ammended the link to point to the publication's article. Could you please reconsider your vote as a result? Thank you again. Pervezt (talk) 05:21, 22 October 2009 (UTC)


 * So since the discussion resorts around notability WP:BAND, I looked at what other articles are out there for Living Syndication and also what would satisfy the requirements.

Here they are according to the points they address:

1) They have articles in MULTIPLE non-trivial published works which I have also added to the page (The Lowell Sun, Times of India, Boston Globe, The Noise).

9) Number 9 states that they should have won or placed in a major music competition. A National Competition put on by AT&T where they won against all the other 1,800 contestants should satisfy this requirement as well.

10) Number 10 on the WP:BAND list states that they would have to have a theme song on a network TV show. They had the theme song for the NBC show, CORR (Championship Off Road Racing). I have even included the Youtube video of the theme song. All three of these satisfy the requirements for being a notable band. I have made edits to the Wiki entry to reflect these additions. I would appreciate a re-consideration of your votes considering the criteria has been met. Thank you for your consideration. Pervezt (talk) 06:32, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Reviewing changes made, I spotted a press release through AT&T - and eliminated that, as it's a press release. The link on rockdirt.com was just a note of somebody from Godsmack going to see them - not notable, it means somebody's gone to see them. The link on Topix says nothing.  There was also an album review on The Noise lumped in - and I'm not sure that fits into WP:BAND or WP:ALBUMS, and never have been, so I'll reserve judgement for a second opinion.  The only thing I saw that even comes up on it was an intervew with Pervez on DNA India, but again, I'm not sure how that fits into WP:ALBUMS - that would be more for Mr. Pervez, in any event, as it is he that is the subject of the interview, hedging on Living Syndication.  I don't think that it's LS' time on Wikipedia yet, so my !vote still stands unless somebody other than a fan (sorry, Pervezt, you have an interest - I really need a disinterested party who will claim something other than WP:IDONTLIKEIT or WP:ILIKEIT to convince me) can change my mind.  For what it's worth, I have no doubt they're good, though I haven't listened to it - yet for the purpose of AFD, we are required to be objective. -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 18:03, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Dennis, the RockDirt article is a snippet from the Boston Herald (a large newspaper), the Toppix link points to a store about them in the Lowell Sun (another large newspaper it's in archives and so I needed a special link for it, which I'll gladly get if that satisfies you). The DNA India article is about the band, and was when the singer was travelling in India promoting the album. The other really valid point here is that they were the theme song for a show on NBC. That's one of the criteria for being notable. I appreciate your objectivity, but in the spirit of factuality they've satisfied the pre-requisite according to the WP:BAND list. Not to mention the major music competition that they won with AT&T. The list says that they must complete at least one of the 10 articles within there, and they've got at least 3 locked, which is why I'm confident that they are notable. For the record, they are incredibly good, and they have a lot of fans that would love to know more about them and their history. People like myself. I cannot be unbiased as I'm the author, but I don't feel that this fact should bar my rational in that regard, please consider what I've listed. They're facts. Two of these alone, to me, definitely could not be disputed and that is that they had a theme song on a major TV network (NBC) and they won a major music competition with Record Labels (Atlantic) and one of the largest phone companies. Don't those qualify the band for notability (good Scrabble word)? Why are we discounting those two facts? Sorry, I'm not trying to be arguementative, I just really thought this was completely solid and according to the list. Pervezt (talk) 19:02, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - I've changed my !vote because of the recent changes to the article. Now, I may have missed something here, but having won that competition, doesn't that make them notable. If Atlantic Records was involved, it was nationwide, and had 1,800 bands, I think it's safe to say it's a majot music competition. I believe they also satisfy criteria 10. The sourcing could be better, but doesn't seem to be available at present. After all, our policy is WP:VERIFIABLE, not WP:VERIFIED, Lord Spongefrog,  (I am the Czar of all Russias!)  12:24, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. I would argue that the band meets WP:BAND on point 9 (major competition) and 10 (theme song). There seems to be a good amount of sources out there, and I'm not sure the WP:COI concerns are valid if the editor in question doesn't have any affiliation with the band, as he has stated.   Cocytus   [»talk«]  03:09, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
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