Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Livingston Gilson Irving


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The result was delete. Deryck C. 17:05, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Livingston Gilson Irving

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He gets a few mentions here and there and was (I assume) the Livingstone Irving in the Lafayette Escadrille, but he fails WP:SOLDIER. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:16, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
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The article was written because of his participation in the Dole Air Race. If his military service is not noteworthy, it would not be reason enough to delete all references to his other aviation activities.FlugKerl (talk) 03:12, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. I've recently written bios of two early aviators and had no trouble finding lots of newspaper coverage. For Irving, not so much. The DSC is nice, but what are his other aviation accomplishments other than crashing at the start of the Dole Air Race (twice)? Clarityfiend (talk) 10:16, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Col Irving was the first person to enter the Dole Air Race, lending validitiy to the contest and the new airport built specifically for the race attempt. His support and purchase of the first Breese-Wilde Model 5 was critical to the success of the company, and it's founder Vance Breese who became one of the most important test pilots of the time. Irving and his family are also noteworthy in thier home communities for thier business and political backgrounds. While a successful completion of the race would have been more of an accomplishment, I doubt that we should remove biographies of aviatiors that crashed on signifigant aviation attempts. As an accomplished pilot, his accidents were an indication of the difficulity, technical challenge, and danger that each racer would face. There are plenty of national newpaper mentions of Irving as both a WWI pilot and Dole Air Race Contender. The article is cited from multiple soruces, and provides a framework for those interested in his history to fill in detail with better prose. Please apply to HighBeam/Applications if you want access to more newpapers for additional citations. FlugKerl (talk) 20:16, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment I have full access to Highbeam, and having run a number of different searches, can find no mention of the subject in the archives there. Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 09:59, 31 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. Insufficient significant coverage found from non-primary reliable sources for the subject to be notable per WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO, & WP:SOLDIER.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 01:21, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete I agree with RightCowLeftCoast there is insufficent coverageWP:GNG, also fails WP:SOLDIER --Cameron11598 (talk) 21:54, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: The article has been copied to User:FlugKerl/sandbox without attribution. It should be looked at when this discussion is resolved. Monty  845  05:06, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
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