Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Liz Jolly


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The result was keep. The nomination was withdrawn. A clear consensus that directors of national libraries are notable and in this instance she passes WP:PROF (non-admin closure)  scope_creep Talk  10:18, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Liz Jolly

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I'm not against librarians, but there aren't any sources on her that don't involve her single event of being hired by the British Library, and all of the sources are routine "new person hired"-type sources. Possibly promotional, fails WP:BLP1E. SportingFlyer  T · C  20:02, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn by nominator I'm still not sure I understand how this qualifies as an academic position, but it looks like I missed on this one. SportingFlyer  T · C  19:55, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
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 * I disagree. I don't think that WP:BLP1E applies because she is not a low-profile individual. Additionally, she is clearly notable under both WP:NACADEMIC and WP:ANYBIO. Finally, may be interested having moved it to article space from AfC and  having questioned this article previously. StudiesWorld (talk) 01:19, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but which part of WP:NACADEMIC and WP:ANYBIO does she pass? I don't see it, nor can I find sources on her apart from what's already in the article. SportingFlyer  T · C  02:03, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
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 * Keep. As head librarian of the British Library she passes WP:PROF. She is a Fellow of the Chartered Institute of Library and Information Professionals (CILIP) and of the Royal Society for the Encouragement of Arts, Manufactures, and Commerce (RSA), so she may well also pass #C3. Note that past head librarians have received extensive coverage so it is reasonable to expect this level of coverage for Jolly as well. Her previous situation as head of the library at Teesside is not inherently notable in itself, but is enough to avoid any issues with WP:BIO1E. —David Eppstein (talk) 02:48, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Is the British Library typically considered an "academic institution?" I see we have U.S. Library of Congress head librarians but not for other countries, though it appears those librarians typically pass WP:GNG. SportingFlyer  T · C  03:30, 5 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep as per David Eppstein's logic - passes WP:PROF on multiple grounds. In addition to arguments already made, there are also potential references pre-dating her British Library appointment: for one example (among several), she was selected multiple times as a judge for The Guardian's University Awards, which profiled her and cited her experience with Tessdale and peak university library body SCONUL. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 04:07, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep I agree with the rationales. I have no doubt that she will be listed in several new directories as the editions are published. Previous directors are amply covered. I think this is a full keep. I will close it.  scope_creep Talk  09:51, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. The senior professional staff member of one of the most important national libraries in the world. In which dimension is someone in this position not notable? Maybe she ought to be a one-hit wonder or play a single game of croquet for England. Then she'd be notable! No question. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:38, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Passes WP:PROF and possibly C3. XOR&#39;easter (talk) 18:30, 5 February 2019 (UTC)


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