Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Liz Prince


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) ceradon ( talk  •  contribs ) 00:15, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Liz Prince

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Previously marked for notability for several years. The current article's sources are things like a personal blog on blogspot. This interview in the LA Times is worth pointing out, but as a Q&A style interview it has little use, since the source material is coming directly from the article-subject. My searches for biographical articles on the author have turned up empty. No prejudice against creating an article on her book, if it qualifies. Doesn't appear to pass WP:Goldenrule. CorporateM (Talk) 02:59, 23 June 2015 (UTC)


 * For disclosure, Prince is an old acquaintance of mine, although there has never been any discussion about this article, much less any requests for payment or editing. Secondary coverage is thin, although I think that the multiple awards for different books shows critical attention, per WP:AUTHOR #4. I'm guessing Tomboy might have enough sources for an article, WP:AUTHOR #3. Here's a relatively short review in Willamette Week:, and a longer one in The Elkhart Truth:  which may or may not be a WP:NEWSBLOG, and one from The Masters Review:  which has a editors and seems to be above blog-standard . I'm aware these aren't SPEEDYKEEP-level obviously significant sources, but I think they're legit. Since her other books have received some attention as well, I'm not sure what's gained by deleting this and replacing it with Tomboy. Obviously I'm not impartial, so take that as you will. Grayfell (talk) 06:23, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Here's a couple more reviews of Tomboy: One from The A.V. Club: and one for the French translation from 9emeart, which is apparently a popular French comics website: Grayfell (talk) 06:42, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Determing the reliability of sources in languages I don't speak is tough, but here are a couple of Spanish-language reviews of Alone Forever (A dos velas) that seem like they may possible be usable: Freek Magazine, which looks kinda trashy, but does have a paper edition, and La Casa De El, which might just be a blog, but does seem a bit more professional than many, so I'm not quite sure. Grayfell (talk) 05:45, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Some more (English this time) reviews for Alone Forever. These are all easily usable: A blurb in Bitch Magazine, a review in  A.V. Club (different reviewer from above), and a comic review from Los Angeles Review of Books. The last one is by Colleen Frakes, who is an Ignatz and Xeric winner and is a figure of minor significance in the literary comics scene herself.
 * I understand that few sources are about Prince as a person, rather than about specific works she has written/drawn, but I do think that multiple independent periodical reviews and significant critical attention have been demonstrated per WP:AUTHOR. I would argue that the sources above show that at least two of her books meet WP:NBOOK. Especially since most of her work is autobiographical, it's a bit strange to allow for there to be articles about her books when there is no article about her as a person. Grayfell (talk) 06:42, 25 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep Tomboy is notable by the reviews Grayfell posts (not convinced by Masters Review but the others seem professional or semi-professional). There's also a Publishers Weekly review, a staff review in PunkNews which is reliable for music reviews so presumably ok for comics, a not-online review in Booklist (an American Libraries Aassociation publication), and a review (and non-notable award) by Kirkus. Writing a widely-reviewed book makes you a notable author. Colapeninsula (talk) 10:03, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep for reasons listed above. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:49, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * None of these sources are about the person, rather than the book and stuff like Punknews.org is not a strong source for verifying notability. CorporateM (Talk) 17:25, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * The article passes WP:AUTHOR #3. In addition, Prince is covered as a creative professional in several sources. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:19, 26 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep as per above.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 22:32, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
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