Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lizzie Grubman


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete without prejudice to a completely new article, that is well sourced being created. The article as it currently stands has no sources and with it's content, is a very serious BLP violation. Sorry. but BLP trumps notability.  Ry an P os tl et hw ai te  09:56, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Lizzie Grubman

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The article itself states, that Grubman gained "notoriety for committing a felony crime." Unfortunately, Wikipedia is not a registry for felons, and this individual is not notable. She appeared on a short-lived reality show, but reality show contestants don't get their own articles either. -- Wikipedical 00:49, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, as nominator. --  Wikipedical 00:49, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 00:56, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep -- She's become kind of proverbial, as discussed on the article talk page. AnonMoos 01:00, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep There are plenty of articles on criminals in Wikipedia, especially when they are notable. A mention by MTV is sufficient, in my opinion.--Alasdair 01:02, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - as per arguments on the Talk page Fosnez 01:39, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - Additionaly she's (or was, not sure of her current client list) one of the most notable publicists for the New York elite. Like it or not, she's got notability, reality show and Hamptons incident notwithstanding. Nate 02:02, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep she has been the subject of extensive in-depth coverage as described in the article, and clearly satisifies the [{Wikipedia:Notability]] criteria. Alansohn 02:26, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep. Coverage in CNN, "Today In History" on MSNBC.com, ABC News, CBS News, 112 hits on the New York Times alone, The BBC, The Guardian, Time Magazine, Mentions in 57 books on Amazon.com...and considering she is Britney Spears' PR person, I'm willing to bet that she's pretty busy these days... Smashville 03:01, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * There are also news hits before 2001. Smashville 03:04, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Whoa, Snowball keep. At first I was a little leery of some of these "keep" votes, but the number of sources seems to indicate notability. If she were involved only in the SUV incident, this would be in violation of WP:NOT, but the fact that she's also Spears' PR person adds another layer of notability. Good enough for me! Ten Pound Hammer  • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps•Review?) 04:03, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep one of the most high profile PR reps there is. Article could use a few references, but passes notability with ease. ~ Eliz 81 (C)  05:04, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep Article clearly states that she was notable before the felony incident ever occurred-- it's just that she will forever be the butt of jokes for her crime. Article needs work, but should be kept.OfficeGirl 05:42, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep I dont think injuring 16 people with her car is a "joke" one of my friends sisters was hit by Grubman's car.  ALKIVAR &trade; &#x2622; 05:46, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep.  Criminals can be notable, can't they? • Lawrence Cohen  05:57, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, was notable prior to the incident. Unfortunately, has only become more successful since (you never know, some clients may consider it a mark of ruthlessness). --Dhartung | Talk 07:58, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.