Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lluís Brines Selfa


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. The arguments for deletion significantly outweigh the reasons for retention given, which has failed to address the significant concerns of sourcing. –MuZemike 01:12, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Lluís Brines Selfa

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A Spanish composer. I'm unable to find any reference about him, reliable or unreliable. I can only find Wikipedia pages or stuff derived from Wikipedia pages. Prod was contested. Bgwhite (talk) 22:57, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Spain-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:51, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:52, 2 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment If he was in the Liceu from Barcelona, his name must be in any program of concerts of the years that he was there (1956-1973). This time was by the way the modern golden age of this theater, and so only for that he is an important person. Furthermore, he wrote the anthem of his native village. This is well proven, and it is a thing that can not be said of all the people. So for this reason, he is also important. 22:08, 2 November 2011 (UTC+1) Simater
 * Delete - Actually, nothing is "well proven". None of the sourcing in the article is to a reliable source.  I cannot find any coverage about him.  I understand that the period in which he worked may not be well covered by Internet accessible sources, but at this point, there is nothing to support notability. -- Whpq (talk) 16:41, 3 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Add some relevant information to article. If someone will be interested in person - let them get information. Looks there was no Internet those days and no printing also. (talk) 19:54, 5 November 2011 (UTC)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lavd (talk • contribs)
 * Comment User Lavd has just been blocked for disruptive editing at AfDs and removing tags. Bgwhite (talk) 05:53, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:45, 8 November 2011 (UTC)




 * Delete. I cannot find any online sources about the subject. It is possible of course that there are offline sources, but for what I've seen I think that the subject is actually non-notable, and thus such sources would be scarce and perhaps too local. The subject's work is pretty much limited to being a local musician; the best claim for notability is that a pasodoble composed by him has become a "kind of official anthem" for his hometown (that particular verbiage can also be found as the description for the video being used a reference). That the song was composed by him is verifiable (for instance ), but there's no reliable source supporting the claims, only the videos where the song can be heard accompanying certain official acts — frankie (talk) 19:20, 9 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. There is a new reference, that shows that, even though there were two previous anthems of his native village Simat de la Valldigna, the one composed by Lluís Brines is the one that has had more success. So he is important enough also to be in the Wikipedia. Furthermore, the fact of having become a professional musician, and having been able to study in the hard years after the Spanish Civil War shows us the value of this person: It was rather difficult for a person that came from the lower classes, like he, to study and become a professional musician those days. He can be an example of the triumph of the will, and of the overcoming of overwhelming difficulties, and so he deserves to be in the Wikipedia.  Simater (talk) 14 November 2011
 * Comment I just removed the new reference.  Blogs are not considered reliable references.  I understand your love for Mr. Brines and sympathize with you trying to keep his article.  However, from Verifiability, Wikipedia is about verifiability and not truth. Bgwhite (talk) 22:05, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
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