Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Logan Staats


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The result was keep. Tone 14:56, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Logan Staats

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Advertorialized BLP of a musician with only iffy claims to passing WP:NMUSIC, and reference bombed to garbage sources rather than genuinely reliable ones. iTunes is a single-vendor WP:BADCHART, not a record chart that confers notability under NMUSIC #2, so topping that chart counts for nothing whatsoever toward making a musician notable -- so the only notability claim he really has is a technical pass of #9 for winning The Launch, but that show is not so "inherently" notable as to grant him a free exemption from actually having to have legitimate or reliable references. Of the 50 footnotes here, however, fully 35 of them are primary sources (his own self-published content about himself on social networking platforms and iTunes itself, etc.) that are not valid support for notability at all; another nine are unreliable source blogs; and four are just here to tangentially verify the existence of the Mohawk Nation, the Six Nations of the Grand River and the geographic appelation "Turtle Island", while completely failing to actually mention Logan Staats's name at all in conjunction with any of them. Just two footnotes actually represent coverage about Logan Staats in a fully reliable and independent source — but the kicker is that both of those two acceptable footnotes are the same source, unnecessarily repeated as two separate footnotes instead of using the named callback format. So there's really only one genuinely notability-supporting source present here at all, and one notability-supporting source is not enough. No prejudice against recreation in the future if somebody can write and source it properly — but the sourcing here at present is utterly for shit, and his notability claim is swaddled in too much advertorialism to overlook that. Best case scenario, this is a candidate for the blow it up and start over treatment — worst case, it's too soon for a person who might still be months or years away from having anywhere near enough of the correct quality of sourcing to support a Wikipedia article at all. As always, the rule is not that as long as the article asserts a notability claim, the sources can be just any garbage you can find — the quality of the sources you can show is the notability test he has to pass, regardless of what achievements the article claims. Bearcat (talk) 22:54, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 22:54, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 22:54, 22 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep A quick Google search shows that he has an entry on AllMusic, but no reviews or bio. Three Indigenous Music Awards Album & Producer in 2017, and a single in 2019. Five interviews or brief discussions, including CBC:    . I don't see much else though, so it may be TOOSOON. WP:BADCHARTS is clear that iTunes is not a chart. Why isn't there a board for indigenous, native, or aboriginal subjects? Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:06, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Canadian Beats, Hamilton Rising and Two Row Times are not reliable sources, CFWE is a single local radio station for which the link leads to a Q&A interview in which he's speaking about himself, and as you correctly note the matter of whether AllMusic supports notability or not depends on actual critic-written prose bio/review content, and not just the albums' presence in the database as directory entries — and the CBC source you offered was already addressed in my nomination statement, because it's the one acceptable footnote that's already in the article. So no, none of those sources are adding anything new here. Bearcat (talk) 23:10, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Greetings Bearcat and Walter Görlitz, thank you for your efforts here. I have been working with the editor who moved the article to the mainspace. I will encourage the editor to add some additional external sources, and also ensure that they appear in greater detail in the works cited. I will also direct the editor to the other concerns expressed, which should also be dealt with, where possible. Best, --Jaobar (talk) 03:59, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * What makes those three not RS? https://canadianbeats.ca/about/ and https://canadianbeats.ca/authors/ seem to be legitimate and nothing about it at RSN. I don't see an about or staff page at Hamilton Rising, but there is at https://tworowtimes.com/about/. It's the equivalent of local coverage. This is why I !voted weak keep. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:06, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 00:47, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep WP:ATD article needs an ambitious editor to replace some poor references - the core question is whether the subject is GNG...and the answer is yes.  Lubbad85   (☎) 23:16, 30 May 2019 (UTC)


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