Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lola Zunnunova (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) –– FormalDude   talk   07:03, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Lola Zunnunova
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 * The article does not meet WP:GNG. I examined all of the sources.


 * 1- An error occurred.
 * 2- Her own explanations, not an independent source.
 * 3- The page that gives very little information about her.
 * 4- An error occurred.
 * 5- A video placed in an unreliable website, irrelevant for notability.
 * 6- The same YT video with 5th source.
 * 7- A junk source.
 * 8- Her own explanations again, not independent.
 * 9- The same YT video with 5th source.
 * 10- A different YT video, does not contributes to her notability.
 * 11- A news content which contains 3 sentences about her new job.
 * 12- The book does not have Lola Zunnunova inside it.
 * 13- "404 Not Found".
 * 14- Another YT video, inadequate for notability.
 * 15- The same video with 14th link.
 * 16- Her own explanations again, not independent.
 * 17- An error occurred again with Daryo website.
 * 18- The same video with 14th link.


 * In the final analysis, the article is inappropriate for an online encyclopedia. A clear example for WP:REFBOMB. Speedy delete. Kadı    Message   20:44, 11 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Actors and filmmakers, Journalism, Asia,  and Uzbekistan.  Kadı    Message   20:44, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions.  Kadı    Message   20:45, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:16, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I can access source 1 just fine. Here's the cyrillic version, if that maybe works for you: . It's also archived. Citation 4 works for me too. I've archived it here, maybe you can access that? Same story witht the last Daryo source: archive. ;;  Maddy  ♥︎(they/she)♥︎ ::  talk   10:45, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, @Maddy from Celeste! Thank you. I've examined the sources now which are shown by you. They contain her explanations, the last one is about Instagram posts: all of them are inadequate for WP's criterias. Best wishes,  Kadı    Message   13:44, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - passes WP:NACTOR as host of a national TV show and "The best TV presenter of the year". It is probably not expected to find much coverage when the subject is in a small country, but in her own country she seems to be notable. Lovewiki106 (talk) 21:43, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
 * No sources = No notability. Kadı    Message   19:41, 13 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete Hosting a non-notable TV show and winning a non-notable award won't make someone inherently notable, and is not a NACTOR pass. Per above analysis, also lacks reliable, independent, and most importantly, significant coverage. Only a few sentences and trivial mentions isn't significant. Person fails NACTOR and the GNG. ~Styyx Talk ? 07:39, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Arbitrarily0   ( talk ) 06:22, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: The article appears to be supported by at least three reliable sources.--Ipigott (talk) 07:57, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Could you show them?  Kadı    Message   15:13, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Appears to pass criteria 1 of WP:ENTERTAINER as the host of multiple nationally broadcast programs in her native country. Additionally the source analysis above has issues. Just because you are unable to access a url link doesn't mean the source isn't valid. We would at a minimum WP:AGF just as we would with an offline reference. Further, I found errors in the analysis above (she is mentioned in a long list in that book for example; it's viewable if you search for her name in google books and open that book out of a search). That said, that book is self published and I wouldn't consider it reliable RS. However, she passes criteria 1 of WP:ENTERTAINER, and arguably criteria 1 of WP:ANYBIO. That is all we need to prove notability. Additionally, I am concerned of potential bias on the part of the nominator towards Western culture and English language entertainment and sources. If we had an American or British host of a similar nationally broadcast program who had won similar awards in those countries there would have been no question of deletion. We shouldn't treat the entertainers of non-Western nations differently than American and UK entertainers. 4meter4 (talk) 03:24, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @4meter4, You are doing mind reading, please do not do. I am from Türkiye, not USA or UK etc. :) Please show me a valuable source about her, I looked all of them and I can read Uzbek. In addition, I am editing systemic bias article :) I am one of the users who are most against systemic bias. All of the sources contains promotional YT videos and her own explanations. I am waiting for your reply. Kadı    Message   08:06, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
 * A question: Do you think being mentioned on a long list proves someone's notability? Kadı    Message   08:13, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Arbitrarily0   ( talk ) 11:22, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Relisting so that others can confirm or deny 4meter4's assessment.  Arbitrarily0   ( talk ) 06:23, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't see anything new being provided. ~Styyx Talk ? 11:44, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @Arbitrarily0, courtesy ping. Kadı    Message   21:13, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * My previous relisting did not successfully place this page on the current log page, so this discussion did not receive any additional attention. My apologies. Thank you,, for the ping. Let's give this another week to attract comments.  Arbitrarily0   ( talk ) 11:26, 21 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete Sources as explained, don't show notability. Oaktree b (talk) 15:33, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep The first source states: The well-known journalist and film critic Lola Zunnunova worked as the editor-in-chief of National TV in 2019-2020, and as the director-general of the TV channel from August to December 2020.. As the DG, she is likely notable. Ref 4 has a captcha in front of it.    scope_creep Talk  09:45, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I've removed ref 4. Its a real dog and I can't get by it, so I don't think the reader will either, if the article is kept.   scope_creep Talk  09:57, 3 August 2022 (UTC)


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