Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/London Buses Route 11

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The result of the debate was keep, although it could be probably be merged if there are any more articles of this type around. Sjakkalle (Check!)  08:31, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

London Buses Route 11
This entry describes that Route 11 passes a fair number of London's landmarks. I'd say that metro systems are major feats of civil enginering and have their place here, but individual bus routes somehow pass below the bar unless they have something that makes them stand out from others. Pilatus 14:57, 10 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep. LONDON bus routes are different.  Buses, especially of the hop-on, hop-off, double decker Routemaster design, are recognised as a symbol of London worldwide.  This article is overly chatty and needs to be toned down a little, but it has potential to be encyclopedic.  I also found an interesting little snippet about the use of a Number 11 bus as a transport for prisoners during the Queen's Golden Jubilee. --Tony Sidaway Talk  15:39, 10 September 2005 (UTC) Addendum: I think Grutness's suggestion of a merge is also acceptable. --Tony Sidaway Talk  03:57, 11 September 2005 (UTC)


 * London Buses under the umbrella of Transport for London is a strong, well marketed brand. Now Route 11 hasn't been served by a Routemaster bus for a fair while, and the anecdote of a group of protesters being carted away on a requisitioned bus has little to do with the route itself. The entry could possibly find a home in Wikitravel under the heading "Sightseeing by public transport" but lacks distinctiveness. Pilatus 16:01, 10 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete &mdash; Tourism guide. &mdash; RJH 18:45, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete and I say at that as someone who has used this route. The Routemaster is a symbol yes, but that is for its own article --TimPope 18:51, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep London should have its fair share of bus-cruft --TimPope 17:38, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. The Routemasters are notable, and I expect we have articles about the pieces of tarmac they ride along. But the imaginary lines that run along the roads at the moment? No. Not encyclopedic - Wikitravelic if anything but this isn't a suggestion to transwiki. -Splash 20:20, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Transwiki to Wikitravel and delete. Zoe 21:16, September 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Wikitravel uses a different license so transwikiing may be a problem. - Mgm|(talk) 21:35, September 10, 2005 (UTC)


 * As far as I can see the only interesting bit of info is the bit Tony dug up and that's better served in the article on Queen Elizabeth's Golden Jubilee. Merge and redirect that there. London Bus transport as a whole is quite deserving of an article, but I don't think listing seperate buses is quite useful, the routes and stops are more useful if you see them in context. So I'd like to see that merged somewhere too. Redirect to wherever the info on the stops ends up. - Mgm|(talk) 21:35, September 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I assume that Bus routes in London, as in other cities, are moved around, created or abolished on a fairly steady basis. If so, then that would make this a very ephemeral subject, & not appropriate for an encyclopedia. -- llywrch 23:35, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually that would be a false assumption as far as London routes are concerned. For instance the Number 11 route has been in existence at least since 1949.  Precise itinerary may be affected by changes in road priorities, and minor changes do occur, but these routes are remarkably constant over the decades.    --Tony Sidaway Talk  04:06, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
 * That's also a false assumption with many other cities. Boston for example has many bus routes that are almost exactly the same as the streetcar routes they replaced. Any article on such a bus route can also deal with the streetcar route; it's harder to find such history though. --SPUI (talk) 07:16, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
 * While I can see the importance of London buses relative to many other bus systems, I feel this would be better served by merging into one or more articles on London bus routes overall (e.g., London Buses routes 1-20, London Buses routes 21-40), linked together by an index page. Problem with that, of course, is that this is currently the only article on a London bus route. Grutness...  wha?  23:52, 10 September 2005 (UTC) (134 to Potters Bar, 84 to St. Albans)
 * Merge (or move) to London Buses routes 1-20 as per Grutness, or Keep. JYolkowski // talk 23:55, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep --SPUI (talk) 22:42, 12 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep - Most bus routes in London are of historical interest (especially the low numbered ones). I'd like to see more pages like this. jmd 06:28, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.