Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lonnie Stabler


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. While this person is covered in "sources", there doesn't appear to be agreement on whether those sources are substantial or reliable. I assume that User:Nyttend's comment about "independent" sources is a typo and they meant "substantial", since quite clearly the local newspapers are hopefully independent of the mayor's office. Lankiveil (speak to me) 13:40, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Lonnie Stabler

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Non-notable individual. Fails WP:POLITICIAN. References are either press releases, obits, or unrelated. red dog six (talk) 14:31, 6 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep - There are 218 other Texas mayors with Wikipedia articles. The city of Bryan is larger than some of the other cities whose mayors have articles. The Stabler article has sources from Bryan-College Station Eagle and three articles on two network television stations. Billy Hathorn (talk) 14:37, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - the number of other mayors that have articles has no bearing on this person's notability. Other stuff exists.  The "network TV coverage" are press releases from the funeral home.  This all amounts to trivial coverage.   red dog six  (talk) 14:43, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
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 * Keep evidently plenty of local news sources for WP:GNG ... and per User:Billy Hathorn In ictu oculi (talk) 03:19, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. No coverage in independent sources.  Everything's from local publications, with nothing from independent sources from other places.  Any mayor in a place with its own media will get plenty of news coverage from the local publication(s), but that's not sufficient: we need secondary sources, not simply the primary coverage from the local TV stations and newspaper.  Wait until he gets coverage in books or academic journals, or until he gets discussed in news articles from other cities or from Bryan media long after his death.  Nyttend (talk) 15:34, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment. I am torn between poor sourcing and my experience that being a mayor is notable by default. If he was historical, referenced to few obscure books, we would keep him. I think that being modern and referenced to few local websites is little different. The question is, again, where to draw the lone? User:Billy Hathorn did a wonderful job on a very borderline (notability-wise) topi. WP:POLITICIAN states "Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage". The hard part is defining significant. He received coverage in local newspaper and stations, but as User:Nyttend notes, those kind of obits are to be expected. In the end I am having trouble making a choice either way; if this is deleted I strongly suggest userfication in creator's namespace. Ping with through WP:ECHO if anyone wants to reply to me directly here. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 00:05, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
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