Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Loran de Munck


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The result was delete. Cabayi (talk) 08:27, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Loran de Munck

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Competing at the European Championships does not meet WP:NGYMNASTICS, nor do they meet WP:GNG.  Onel 5969  TT me 03:16, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  Onel 5969  TT me 03:16, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Netherlands-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 07:17, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

*Keep. De Munck passes the WP:GNG. So notability is not the problem. The article, however, is so brief that I would prefer a merge. This wasn't possible since the MALE national team and the gymnastics club have no page. Keep remains. gidonb (talk) 01:54, 8 May 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep Don't see any form of WP:BEFORE. "nor do they meet WP:GNG" would mean that all European Championships gymnasts don't meet GNG!? De Munck has >500 hits in Google News articles see here. Of the European Championships is coverage about him in reliable secondary sources, 2 examples: 1, 2. Also see for instance an inverview at here. SportsOlympic (talk) 07:48, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

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 * Delete. The articles found above are brief mentions, not in-depth SIGCOV, and the interview is not independent; therefore he fails GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 21:17, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Plenty of coverage in the press. Clearly meets WP:GNG. KittenKlub (talk) 17:24, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment. This is the totality of his coverage in the first source: And this is the extent in the second source:  Almost all of the second comprises quotes from him, with almost zero secondary, independent evaluation. We generally discount quotes for the same reasons we discount interviews when considering notability -- the information therein is primary and has not been deemed notable enough for independent analysis. Both articles also only headline him because he is of local interest, not because his achievements merited extensive reporting. So, no, per the NSPORT guideline (Primary sources may be used to support content in an article, but they do not contribute toward proving the notability of a subject.) and GNG (""Sources"[2] should be secondary sources, as those provide the most objective evidence of notability."), he does not meet GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 03:40, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 01:53, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete It seems the commenters arguing that there is plenty of coverage are unable to distinguish between passing mentions and sigcov; also, between WP:RS and something lesser. I've tried my best searching for something that would establish WP:GNG (given that the athletic achievements clearly don't meet WP:BIO), but couldn't find anything that comes even close: the Noordhollands Dagblad piece is probably the best, but it is an interview, and in any case on its own nowhere near enough. The chap may well be a future star, but for now this is just a case of WP:TOOSOON. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:49, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I added an extra article published just two days ago. Long article about him, not fully visible online without subscription. Making multiple GNG sources. SportsOlympic (talk) 07:00, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks to me like Turnsupporter.nl is a WordPress-based blog site; hardly RS. Also, who wrote that article (and with what agenda)? --DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:28, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * TurnSupporter is not a blog but an independent Gymnastics magazine in the Netherlands since 2010 both offline (see here, and here some offline articles) and online. SportsOlympic (talk) 09:05, 28 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Weak delete. These stubs that state a person's name and that they competed somewhere, not even stating what place they ended in, are a blight to Wikipedia (many, many Olympic stubs included). That said, he competed at a high-level event, but finished kinda lowly, and the next high-level event won't be for a long time, unlike e.g. footballers who play dozens of games. Not convinced by the sources, this looks more like a future article topic to me. Geschichte (talk) 19:33, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'm changing to delete. I was too easily impressed by the headlines in the regional press, very valid sources, but these were basically national articles with regional read bait titles. The newspapers did not go the extra mile to add information on De Munck. Add to that the problems I already had with this extreme stub and the correct conclusion is delete. gidonb (talk) 20:44, 31 May 2021 (UTC)


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