Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Loreen Dinwiddie


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. postdlf (talk) 00:51, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Loreen Dinwiddie

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Only assertion of notability is being over 100 years old. Weihang7 (talk) 14:05, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Extremely weak keep -, , , plus probably a few more further into Google. There's plenty of stuff there, but I doubt there's enough in the way of reliable sources in there for anything other than my weak keep (I did find an opposingviews link, but that's probably rightly blocked.) Lukeno94 (talk) 22:09, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
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 * Should be kept because research into centenarians is highly important as is research into the effect of vegan diet on lifespan and this article provides useful documentation on both subjects. — Preceding unsignedcomment added by 24.234.172.23 (talk) 02:51, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Cheers, Ri l ey    00:03, 30 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete as not quite notable yet. Lukeno94 provides 3 links, but only one of them appears to be a reliable source: KGW is Portland, OR local TV which is fine, though not enough for notability. The other links are to Ann & Paul Malkmus's personal website, and to what appears to be a community blog which merely discusses the KGW report and hence provides no independent information. The article links to 2 YouTube videos, which again tends not to be a WP:RS since anyone can put content on YouTube. Centenarians are listed on WP if they're notable, or if over 110 they can go on List of living supercentenarians. If she lives a bit longer, she can get a mention in a list, but doesn't merit an article. --Colapeninsula (talk) 01:18, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete I turned up nothing on her in High Beam searches with and without her middle name. Her name does turn up in google searches but they seem to refer to the You Tube videos and the fact that she is a vegan, and not much else. I don't see how the mere mention in an article of a single supercentenarian who happens to have a vegan diet would contribute to any research or documentation on the effect of a vegan diet on life span. The connection between age and veganism cannot be established by this mere coincidence or anecdote. So I see nothing to support her notability for an article beyond her age - unless Wikipedia is going to document everyone who lives past 100 years for the mere fact that they lived that long - perhaps with a few stray facts about their lives. I agree that she could go on to a list of supercentenarians (if and when qualified) but is not notable enough for an article simply on account of her age (with all due respect to her age and probably admirable life style). Donner60 (talk) 07:34, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I am new to Wikipedia, so pardon my lack of formatting knowledge and my potential bias as Loreen is my grandmother, but I think it is a legitimate article, as she is the oldest person in the state of Oregon. She will be a super centenarian in just one month from today, and this is pretty to able. Elsie Thompson and Bernice Madigan have their own articles, and they are supercentenarians wo old the record as oldest in their states (Florida and Massachusetts). I don't know how to add my signature, but please are this into account. It is confirmed that she exists and is the oldest person in Oregon. She is not like the oldest person in some states, who are 102 or 103, which is still quite old, but this is nearly a supercentenarian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.177.25.246 (talk) 02:25, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Further comment. Perhaps there should be a list of the oldest person in each State - if these can be verified. A fact or a few facts could follow the name. Each person like this could be covered without controversy as to notability and without constantly creating separate pages about people with few other notability - again, unless wikipedia wants to have a guideline that everyone who reaches 100 years of age, or some age like 110 or an age in between, can get an article based on their longevity and little else. I mean no disrespect because such people can teach us quite a bit about life and often about a variety of topics and are admirable in many ways - just that they would often not seem to meet the notability criteria here. (I don't feel strongly about this; just calling it as I see it in terms of my understanding of the guidelines; if someone thinks I am being too strict about it, it's ok with me - by which I mean that if the decision is to keep the article, it's ok with me.) Donner60 (talk) 05:27, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_supercentenarians_from_the_United_States#Oldest_living_American_by_state — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.177.25.246 (talk) 22:14, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete As with most articles on supercentenarians the subject's notability rests solely on her age (that is, being merely "really old" and not "the oldest in country xxx" and this has been agreed on repeatedly as insufficient to justify a stand-alone article. In this case the subject hasn't even reached supercentarian status, let alone been verified (which typically takes 6-12 months, and may not even happen) so keeping the article "in case she makes it" is an extremely poor argument for retention. Additonally the only citations are from youtube which is not considered a WP:RS. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 09:54, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete As noted above, there is no evidence of meeting WP:N's requirement of non-trivial coverage in multiple, reliable, third party sources. Considering that she's really only notable for one event at this point (becoming the oldest person in Oregon), at most a redirect to List of supercentenarians from the United States might be appropriate, but even that would be somewhat unnecessary in my opinion. Canadian   Paul  17:03, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
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