Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lorenzo Belenguer


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The result was delete. Deletion performed by WhisperToMe (non-admin closure) --ceradon ( talk  •  contribs ) 06:05, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Lorenzo Belenguer

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 * BLP sourcing issues. Lots of sources but dig deeper and most are routine exhibition announcements (PR), some passing mentions (e.g. The Independent). The award is unsourced. This is poor sourcing for a BLP - e.g. his birth isn't is sourced (update: just no inline citation). May be WP:TOOSOON.
 * doesn't see to pass any of 1-4 of WP:ARTIST Widefox ; talk 13:26, 6 December 2014 (UTC)  Widefox ; talk 01:28, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
 * (COI issue with undisclosed paid editing - see WP:COIN, and several SPAs either disclosed as COI or denying a COI) Widefox ; talk 21:51, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Spain-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:09, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:10, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
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Thank you for the feedback. I removed the previous “for deletion in seven day” note, because I thought the issues were addressed and resolved. I don't know any of the other editors, including Belenguer, so there's no COI here. As I've never met Hirst or Emin. As I said in a previous statement, I'm not a paid editor. London is enjoying a Golden Age in the Arts and my contributions try to reflect that. I agree that the article needed serious resourcing and restructuring and just did that. All the 15 current references are secondary sources. If some of the secondary sources are not appropriate, then, it might be a good idea to look for a better one or to remove it, if the editor prefers. Secondary sources like: the University of the Arts London, Greater London Authority, The Independent, etc, are highly respected. RTVE/RNE Radio 3 is the equivalent of the Spanish BBC Radio, not sure that can be seen as unreliable. Belenguer was given an interview because of the Testimonies project for the Cultural Olympiad London 2012. I agree that the Absolute Arts article may look a bit unreliable and it might be best to remove it. I've repositioned references that were in the wrong place.

A previous, and highly experienced, editor removed parts of the article that could be seen as advertising and thought that issue were already settled by then. It doesn't look advertising to me. It directly deals with explaining his works, exhibitions and awards in a very straight forward manner. Other more experienced editors may disagree.

Belenguer's works are rather unique. I've never seen anybody applying oil paint directly onto metal in three-dimensions as a painting or the way he uses old masterpieces. He seems to be highly respected by his peers, because I keep seeing his works in very interesting exhibitions. This type of quite artworks never get picked up by the sensationalist media. His last show “We Could Not Agree” was selected by Artlyst as one of the top ten alternative shows during Frieze Week http://www.artlyst.com/articles/paul-carey-kent-reveals-his-ten-hot-allternatives-to-frieze He's been invited to exhibit in Madrid's Ateneo, the Spanish equivalent of the Royal Academy. http://www.ateneodemadrid.com/index.php/esl/Agenda/Exposiciones/Retorno-al-Paraiso and to India. I haven't found any secondary sources yet, but other editors might do a better search.

A google search provides with a very good secondary reference regarding Joshua Compton http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/17/joshua-compston-was-once-the-wunderkind-of-the-british-art-world-and-now-he-s-been-practically-forgotten.html

The citation needed for the Red Gallery exhibition was already in the following phrase. It's better located now.

The year of birth/age is referenced in the following 4 secondary references included in the article: http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/local-news/artist-who-keeping-gallery-free-5972001 (N. 2), http://www.publico.es/deportes/440001/londres-1948-de-los-juegos-de-la-austeridad-a-los-de-la-crisis (N. 8), http://www.lasprovincias.es/culturas/201407/01/lorenzo-belenguer-conquista-londres-20140701211646.html (N. 10) and http://www.absolutearts.com/artsnews/2005/11/25/33490.html (N. 12).

No secondary reference has been found for the Florence Trust Residency Award. However a primary source from the Florence Trust has been provided under external links that might be considered to validate the entrance.

Apologies for the long discourse. I'm trying to address all the issues the best I can. --LondonArt2010 (talk) 17:49, 7 December 2014 (UTC) — LondonArt2010 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * WP:ILIKEIT and "This type of quite artworks never get picked up by the sensationalist media" aren't very strong arguments where we depend on WP:RS for WP:N. I know you've been trying to improve the sourcing, but


 * thedailybeast fails verification (there's no mention of Belenguer) so does not aid notability
 * The Independent is a passing mention so also doesn't.
 * Routine exhibition announcements also don't
 * There's just not much depth of coverage, indicating WP:TOOSOON. Widefox ; talk 01:26, 9 December 2014 (UTC)  Widefox ; talk 11:57, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

The following 4 Notes to Editors has been removed and the sources to support it which were in the external links section too. Please let's try to respect each other's point of view.

NOTE TO EDITORS: The link in external links validates the mention of Tate Modern. http://musevery.com/exhibition1/exhibition2.html

NOTE TO EDITORS: The link in external links validates the mention of Serpentine Gallery. http://www.serpentinegalleries.org/exhibitions-events/saturdays-live-leah-capaldi

NOTE TO EDITORS: The link in external links validates the mention of Residency in the Florence Trust. http://www.florencetrust.org/artists/artist.php?id=1

NOTE TO EDITORS: The link in external links validates the mention of Tate Liverpool and INIVA. http://www.iniva.org/exhibitions_projects/2013/keywords_investigations/investigations_sublime --LondonArt2010 (talk) 18:17, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

I'd think that an article published in the University of the Arts is reliable. (N.5)

The article published in the FAD website was published by the editor Mark Westall (N. 6)

Artist in Residency/Florence link was in external links because is a primary source. I don't know why it's been changed to References when it's obviously not a secondary source.

Please, let's play clean whatever your point of view.

--LondonArt2010 (talk) 18:26, 9 December 2014 (UTC) — LondonArt2010 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

References.

TATE MODERN

Primary reference: http://musevery.com/exhibition1/exhibition2.html

Secondary references: (N. 6) http://www.fadwebsite.com/2012/07/24/lorenzo-belenguer-art-opening-at-nellie-dean-tuesday-24th-july/ (N. 10) http://www.lasprovincias.es/culturas/201407/01/lorenzo-belenguer-conquista-londres-20140701211646.html

TATE LIVERPOOL

Secondary references: (N. 10) http://www.lasprovincias.es/culturas/201407/01/lorenzo-belenguer-conquista-londres-20140701211646

INIVA

Primary reference: http://www.iniva.org/exhibitions_projects/2013/keywords_investigations/investigations_sublime

SERPENTINE GALLERY

Primary reference: http://www.serpentinegalleries.org/exhibitions-events/saturdays-live-leah-capaldi

Secondary reference: (N. 10) http://www.lasprovincias.es/culturas/201407/01/lorenzo-belenguer-conquista-londres-20140701211646

LondonArt2010 (talk) 12:24, 10 December 2014 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 18:14, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia is not a means of promotion. Belenguer lacks depth of coverage in independent reliable sources. duffbeerforme (talk) 04:14, 14 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. It contains the basic information for any artist: biographical data, information about his works and exhibitions. He has exhibited or participated in performances at these prestigious places: Tate Modern, Tate Liverpool and Serpentine Gallery. 15 third-party references has been produced, of which 8 are solo features, from 3 different countries. LondonArt2010 (talk) 16:41, 15 December 2014 (UTC) — LondonArt2010 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * See the nom - adding lots of shallow depth sources in no way addresses the nom - the complete failure per WP:ARTIST 1-4. A couple of WP:RS establishing that is what is needed. Quality not quantity.
 * WP is WP:NOT a means of promotion, and the undisclosed paid editing on this article is against our Terms of Use. Widefox ; talk 22:01, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 04:22, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete No works in permanent collections of a major museum yet, and apparently no major individual shows either.  DGG ( talk ) 19:57, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete --ceradon ( talk  •  contribs ) 05:43, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
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