Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lorenzo Minh Casali


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 07:03, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Lorenzo Minh Casali

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Not a G4, the deleted version discussed at Articles for deletion/Lorenzo Casali was more comprehensive, but the underlying issues are the same. No new info since it closed earlier this week. Star  Mississippi  14:17, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  Star   Mississippi  14:17, 4 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Courtesy heads up to past participants  Star   Mississippi  14:20, 4 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete HOW is this back here? My last AfD nomination stands: "Italian artistic gymnast and an impressively put together article but sadly he does not pass the stringent standards of WP:NGYMNAST - which tells us he would have had to have won individual gold or individual medial to be presumed as notable. As he fails WP:GNG and there is not sustained significant coverage in secondary sources, I'm afraid deletion is appropriate. Likely WP:TOOSOON." Now I'd ask that it be SALTed, too - and I'd wonder at the relationship between the new creator and the old creator - and, indeed, the createe. In lieu of DRV, which is surely where this should have gone if anywhere, the close was good, BTW. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 14:32, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:21, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Casali was part of the Italian team claiming silver in both the 2022 Euro and Mediterranean Championships and the 4th place team at the World Championships team event where he also qualified for the individual event final in the all-around. He is the reigning silver medalist in the Italian National Championships for both the all-around and floor exercise event as well. His Wiki resume is comparable to that of his compatriot Yumin Abbadini whose Wiki page only details his Euro Games team participation and Nationals AA title. (Abbadini does have individual world cup medals but none are listed in his Wiki). If someone is to delete Casali's page they must also be the one to flesh out Abbadini's page. PyotrRossetti (talk) 14:51, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Please be aware of WP:OSE. What is done with one article has no bearing on another article (note, we do not host resumes). If you feel Abbadini is not notable, you're welcome to nominate that article. As @Alexandermcnabb said, there was a process to follow if you felt the close was incorrect. Re-creating the page is not part of that process. Star   Mississippi  15:11, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep (copying my rationale from the previous AFD) as a medalist at multiple major international competitions. Even if not a pass by the letter of WP:GNG as the article currently stands, this is a case where WP:COMMONSENSE and WP:IAR need to be used. Also recommend that we WP:TROUT User:PyotrRossetti for promptly re-creating this page and not using DRV (For what its worth, I would have voted to endorse the original close as the only policy-based "keep" argument was the IAR reasoning in my vote)  Frank  Anchor  15:28, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Nothing has changed since last time, still fails WP:GNG due to lack of significant coverage. This is a modern day athlete who is competing during the golden years of internet coverage so if there is no significant sources found covering him, common sense would dictate that he is non-notable. Alvaldi (talk) 20:14, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete I'm just going to copy and paste my comment from last time since it hasn't changed: "only source I could find with significant coverage is the Osimo e Dintorni article, so fails WP:GNG and WP:NGYMNAST" (this time the editor who created the page didn't even include the one source which provides significant coverage). OliveYouBean (talk) 21:30, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete still fails WP:NGYMNAST. LibStar (talk) 02:15, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep because he is one on the main Italian gymnasts.--Arorae (talk) 13:20, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete - Issues from the previous AFD remain. MaxnaCarta (talk) 05:50, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - It would appear the previous deletion closure was sound; the issues addressed there are not addressed now. A search on my own end shows a clear failure of WP:GNG and WP:NGYMNAST. — Sirdog (talk) 06:29, 14 November 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.