Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lorenzo Washington


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The result was   no consensus.  Sandstein  06:20, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Lorenzo Washington

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Fails WP:ATH. Has not appeared in an NFL game yet. Vanadus (talk | contribs) 02:40, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 02:53, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 02:54, 13 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep A quick google search turns up a few non-trivial sources. Appears to pass WP:GNG.-- Giants27 ( T  |  C )  18:44, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:NSPORTS, having never played at highest level. He is a WP:Run-of-the-mill player not deserving of a standalone article. WP:CRYSTAL would suggest not to speculate on future notability based on whether the undrafted player ever plays in the NFL. —Bagumba (talk) 08:32, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep appears to pass WP:GNG. Information and sources need to be added to the article.--Paul McDonald (talk) 02:42, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BusterD (talk) 10:12, 20 August 2011 (UTC)




 * Delete - Undrafted free agent whose only NFL time has been on the (inactive for games) practice squad. Wikipedia seems mean about this sort of situation but I think the line we draw with athletes is a reasonable one: professionals are automatically in, amateurs or semi-pro players are (except in exceptional circumstances) out. Nobody wants to have 30 of these sort of athlete challenges every day for all eternity — it's an in-or-out deal and hopefully new page patrollers can stop some of these at the gate. We don't want to have to gather sources and investigate sources for each and every player to come through the collegiate pipeline. It's like elementary schools vs. high schools — almost always out vs. automatically in. Deletionists and inclusionists can lock arms and sing "Kumbaya" about this. Carrite (talk) 12:36, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree we need to be more discerning about run-of-the-mill college players who never play in notable professional league. GNG acknowledges that "Editors may reach a consensus that although a topic meets this criterion, it is not appropriate for a stand-alone article." —Bagumba (talk) 19:20, 20 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. Passes WP:GNG.  He was a key player for Alabama's 2009 national championship team, and he received significant non-trivial coverage in the mainstream media.  College football is one of the top 4 sports in the USA, along with the NFL, MLB, and NBA, in terms of TV exposure, attendance, and merchandising.  The suggestion above that college football players be automatically excluded ignores this and the massive undertaking of the College Football WikiProject to provide solid encyclopedic coverage to this area.  Even under WP:ATH, we acknowledge: "College athletes and coaches are notable if they have been the subject of non-trivial media coverage beyond merely a repeating of their statistics, mentions in game summaries, or other WP:ROUTINE coverage."  Defensive linemen almost never get press coverage, but Lorenzo Washinton has.  Examples of such non-trivial coverage for Washington include the following: Atlanta Journal-Constitution feature story.  See also, , , , , , . Cbl62 (talk) 21:25, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
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