Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lori Fullington


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The result was merge to The Sandman (wrestler). Star  Mississippi  15:58, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Lori Fullington

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fails WP:GNG, only famous for appearing with her husband The Sandman, not notable in her own right. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 11:07, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Women, Wrestling,  and Pennsylvania. Shellwood (talk) 12:06, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep The sources in the article seem to support WP:BASIC notability for her own roles, because she is not described as a bystander on the sideline of her husband at the time's career. She has more than just a relationship with The Sandman. Beccaynr (talk) 12:37, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * She is also e.g. #3 on this list: The 10 Most Iconic Females In ECW History, Ranked (The Sportster, 2020), #1 on this list 10 Great ECW Managers You Totally Forgot About (The Sportster, 2020), described in #5 on this list 9 ECW Storylines So Bad They Embarrassed Fans (The Sportster, 2020), and there is biographical and career information about her here: This Day in Wrestling History (May 17): Bruno Sammartino Wins WWWF Championship (Cageside Seats, 2017). Beccaynr (talk) 13:00, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Really, listicles? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 13:47, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The lists appear to be a form of secondary and sustained coverage, all include more than her name on a list, and are publications specific to this entertainment industry, with an independent focus on her roles over time. And this is in addition to coverage in the several books in the article. The sources listed above also appear helpful for further developing and expanding the article. Beccaynr (talk) 14:10, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Just for clarity here, Sportster article number one says: "Raven played mind games with The Sandman by involving his wife Lori and son Tyler...Lori Fullington was Sandman's legitimate wife". Number two says: "The Sandman’s real-life wife Lori Fullington was a regular in the early days of ECW, often teaming up with her husband". Number three says: "The Sandman’s family became part of the show... the man’s wife, Lori Fullington". The Cageside Seats article has four paragraphs about her, all of which mention The Sandman. None of this is significant coverage. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 16:41, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * These are some of the sources that clearly indicate she had a role more than simply "wife", i.e. bystander, e.g. Lori Fullington was a regular in the early days of ECW, and The Sandman’s family became part of the show. Just because she is a wife does not mean she is not also notable 20 years later as "iconic" and a 'great manager' and a noteworthy part of a noteworthy episode, and we have a variety of sources to support her independent WP:BASIC notability, because this guideline includes If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability and this is not trivial coverage. Beccaynr (talk) 16:49, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * "Sandman still living the dream" by Jan Murphy Kingston WhigStandard/The Gananoque Reporter (Online) 2016 (via Proquest) includes mention of "Lori Fullington - who had her own role in ECW" in addition to the divorce etc; and "PRO WRESTLING: MERO, ASSAD IN TITLE BOUT" by Alex Marvez, Dayton Daily News 1996 (via Proquest) includes mention of "Hyatt may have suffered a broken arm when clobbered by Lori Fullington with The Sandman's cane." Beccaynr (talk) 17:15, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Again, just for clarity, as you didn't include the full quote, so here it is: "The Sandman’s real-life wife Lori Fullington was a regular in the early days of ECW, often teaming up with her husband". So, she was only part of the show because of her husband, and with her husband. This is all trivial information and minor coverage at best, it's just rankings in list articles on content farms, and a brief mention in an "On This Day" article, and brief mentions in the sources already included in the article. Her fame is not independent in any way from her husband, and none of the sources demonstrate otherwise.
 * The article from "The Whig", which you haven't linked to, so I will here, is an article about The Sandman with one minor mention to his wife. The other article you mention is, again, clearly a minor mention and demonstrates no notability whatsoever. None of this is significant coverage. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 17:22, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I noted these as sources in addition to the books cited in the article, as additional support for how it is clear she had an independent role, even though she happened to be married to the Sandman. There does not appear to be an objective basis to dismiss her due to her marital status, given the variety of sources that acknowledge she had an active and independent role. Beccaynr (talk) 17:43, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Literally none of the sources you've brought up here, or in the article, acknowledge that she had an independent role. You have wilfully misrepresented several articles now. Her fame and her participation in wrestling are solely due to her husband; she started because of him, all her storylines and matches were with/against him, her career ended because she was no longer with him. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 17:57, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * One of the sources noted above that I quoted states, "Lori Fullington - who had her own role in ECW", and it seems clear from my review of the sources that she is discussed for her participation, not only due to her relationship, which is how I understand WP:INVALIDBIO to apply to this discussion. If the sources only discussed her as an actual wife, instead of as a character in a long-running entertainment enterprise, then I would have a different opinion. That her character was "wife" does not invalidate the coverage of her as an actor and manager. Beccaynr (talk) 18:10, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * She isn't discussed for her participation, it's literally the only mention of her in the article. The article, about The Sandman, her husband. She receives one mention in this article. There's more discussion about Sandman losing friends in real life in that paragraph of the article alone than there is of her participation in ECW. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 18:17, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Bleacher Report also wrote about 1996 events in 2009, which includes noting her role as an active and independent participant. And The Sportster has an editorial and news team, so it does not appear to be a "content farm". Cageside Seats is produced by Vox Media, as noted in the Editorial Ethics and Guidelines section of its website. Beccaynr (talk) 18:04, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Much of Bleacher Report's content pre-2013 was user-generated, so no, that article by "Tommy Nolan", which mentions Lori Fullington once, probably isn't a reliable source. Having an editorial team has no bearing on whether something is a content farm. The fact you posted three listicles says it all. I've not mentioned whether Cageside Seats is a reliable source, it has no bearing on my description of a brief mention in an "On This Day" article, however if you want to go down that road, the project deemed it an unreliable source. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 18:12, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The Sportster is on the unreliable list as well, which leaves us with the books and news sources, which still seem like a sufficient objective basis for finding her role as a "wife" character is not enough of a reason to delete an article about her. Beccaynr (talk) 18:20, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Or you know, just put any information worth keeping in the article about The Sandman, seeing as most of the information in this article is about his storylines anyway. The one who is actually notable. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 18:36, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge to The Sandman (wrestler) could work well for both articles and help avoid a WP:REDUNDANTFORK, unless additional reliable sources can be found to help develop her BLP. Beccaynr (talk) 01:20, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Agreed, merge is probably a better conclusion to this than just deleting. She (and Tyler Fullington) were part of major storylines with The Sandman. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 18:27, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  13:02, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, she was featured on television and pay-per-view on multiple occasions from the early 1990s to the early 2000s. McPhail (talk) 12:54, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * She was only ever featured on television and PPV's due to her husband, he fame and notability is solely dependent on him, and not due to anything she did. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 16:41, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Merge, per the above discussion. Her notability was never independent of her husband, so it makes the most sense to put whatever in her article that is DUE into The Sandman's page. JoelleJay (talk) 00:14, 8 July 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.