Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lorna Salzman


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The result was Withdrawn by nominator. (non-admin closure) NemesisAT (talk) 22:06, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Lorna Salzman

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Fails WP:NPOL and WP:GNG. Although the subject has notable family members, notability is not inherited. WP:RS-compliant sourcing that covers the subject herself in-depth is needed to pass the notability threshold, and it is woefully lacking here. A WP:BEFORE search conducted on multiple search engines produced mostly primary sources, and only a scattering of secondary that made only trivial mentions of the subject. Sal2100 (talk) 16:22, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Nomination withdrawn based on the sources presented and arguments made below. Obviously, my WP:BEFORE search wasn't thorough enough. My thanks to CT55555 and Beccaynr for locating these sources, I am now convinced that the subject passes WP:GNG and the article should be kept.Sal2100 (talk) 16:59, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for changing your opinion as more information is presented. I wish this was more common at AfD. For what it's worth, I think Google Books is often where I find the notability for activists with decades of experience. CT55555 (talk) 17:06, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tip about GBooks. Noted for future reference. Sal2100 (talk) 17:32, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Environment, Politicians, New York,  and Women. Sal2100 (talk) 16:22, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. She seems notable, based on 19 mentions in this book Thomson, J. (2019). The Wild and the Toxic: American Environmentalism and the Politics of Health. United States: University of North Carolina Press. I viewed it though google books, so could only see a few sentences on each side of her name, but it's lots of information about her advocacy, environmentalism, and seems clearly significant coverage. Also lots of quotes from her in news over the years, mentions in mainstream news include Mittelstaedt, M. (1988, Jul 05). Reactor to be nuclear scrap. The Globe and Mail Retrieved from https://www.proquest.com/newspapers/reactor-be-nuclear-scrap/docview/385919785/se-2
 * Her work as a board member of friends of the earth USA is mentioned here Dorsey, M. K. (2007). Climate knowledge and power: Tales of skeptic tanks, weather gods, and sagas for climate (in)justice. Capitalism, Nature, Socialism, 18(2), 7-21,137. doi:https://doi.org/10.1080/10455750701366360 CT55555 (talk) 21:51, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:GNG/WP:BASIC - I can view full pages of The Wild and the Toxic, and the available preview at pp. 27-31 includes in-depth career and biographical information. Based on the notes section at pp. 144-145, some of the content appears based on an interview with Salzman, but also other documentation, and includes further detail about her career. Part of her career is also discussed in-depth in Ecological Politics, including at pp. 103-104 (pp. 105-106 are not available in the preview), 108, 116. In The New Crusaders at pp. 104-105, one of her statements against nuclear power is critiqued, while another statement is quoted and discussed more positively in Free Enterprise Environmentalism at p. 48. More biographical and career information is available in Newcomers: Gentrification and Its Discontents at 34. She is also more than quoted in Mother Jones Magazine - Nov 1986, in a lengthy article "The Forest for the Trees" that places her quotes in the context of her work as an environmental activist. In the preview page available at p. 253 in The Invention of Brownstone Brooklyn, some of her Brooklyn-based activism is discussed. She is also quoted with context in Earth Follies: Feminism, Politics and the Environment at p. 324. In these sources, her husband is occasionally mentioned, but it seems clear she has independent notability as an activist for several causes that is supported by independent and reliable secondary sources, and the article can be further developed. Beccaynr (talk) 00:09, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Via ProQuest, her unsucessful run for the 2004 Green Party presidential nomination is mentioned in the context of quotes from her in "Green Party's national strategy `realistic' or `laughable'? ; Election 2004: Greens say they don't expect to win the White House; their goal is ballot access", Joshua Weinstein, Portland Press Herald, 4 July 2004, and more directly in "Nader given nod by Greens" Portland Press Herald 23 Mar 2004. Her campaign website for her 2002 NY congressional run is archived by the Library of Congress; an overview of candidate profiles from Newsday includes "Salzman, 67, of Southampton, has run unsuccessfully for Southampton trustee, the House of Representatives and U.S. Senate. A graduate of Cornell University, Salzman co-founded the New York Greens, which later became the New York Green Party. She has been an environmental activist and grassroots organizer of 35 years." ("U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 1st DISTRICT" 3 Nov 2002). She also published an essay collection "Politics as if Evolution Mattered: Darwin, Ecology, and Social Justice" (via Gale) and has had writings published in various journals, e.g. BioScience (JSTOR), (JSTOR), Science News (JSTOR), Conservation Biology (JSTOR), Business and Society Review and the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists (WP Library). Beccaynr (talk) 03:06, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep due to the sources listed above. -Kj cheetham (talk) 14:09, 16 July 2022 (UTC)


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