Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lorraine Wearne


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of mayors and lord mayors of Parramatta. Liz Read! Talk! 08:51, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Lorraine Wearne

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Does not meet notability J2m5 (talk) 11:04, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians, Women,  and Australia. Shellwood (talk) 11:32, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment how notable is the "lord mayor" of this town/suburb? Appears to be a borough of Sydney, but I'm not up to speed on Australian geographical entities. Oaktree b (talk) 17:55, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Parramatta is a large city in Western Sydney. The correct terms are "council" or "local government area." Local government figures rarely get Wikipedia articles. The only 21st century local gov councillor in NSW I can think of that has a Wikipedia article is Clover Moore, and she's been the Lord Mayor of Sydney for the last 20 years, plus formerly a state politician as well. (Barring councillors that have gone on to be state politicians and vice versa.) No Parramatta councillors (or Western Sydney councillors more generally) have ever gotten a Wikipedia page to my knowledge, I don't see why Ms. Wearne would be an exception hence my nom. She is not particularly notable at all, based on a Google Scholar search, news search, or my uni's lib search.. J2m5 (talk) 07:07, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - J2m5's comment about Clover Moore being the only councillor with a Wikipedia page is not correct, any search of the categories of councillors would show there are plenty of such people with pages. Regardless of notability or not, in this case there is a clear and appropriate alternative to deletion that ought to be followed, which is a Redirect to List of mayors and lord mayors of Parramatta. Deus et lex (talk) 10:30, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Please do not misrepresent statements I have made by oversimplifying. I never said that "Clover Moore was the only councillor with a Wikipedia page." Granted though, I did not do the justice of looking at other examples of councillors which have Wikipedia pages, because in my view this article at its most basic level fails Notability as it fails to have any accepted independent media sources. Based on my (limited) understanding of the Wikipedia notability guidelines, whether Wikipedia covers politicians who do not have national-level or provincial-level offices is entirely up to whether academia or journalism has written about the person, such coverage confirming if they are notable (based on my reading of WP:NPOL.) In any case, the vast majority of 21st century councillors on the "New South Wales local councillors" category are people who went on to take roles in state and federal politics. The exceptions to this are politically important mayors or community activists as judged by the multiple media sources proving their notability to Wikipedia, for instance Frank Carbone or Margaret Henry. Lorraine Wearne fails this test. Redirecting the article to the aforementioned list should mean that other lord mayors have the same treatment. J2m5 (talk) 07:09, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * And what's the problem with redirecting other Lord Mayors? Don't make assumptions that I am trying to keep the article. Redirection is a valid alternative that must be considered before deletion. Deus et lex (talk) 10:12, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm totally happy with redirecting other lord mayors, didn't say anything to indicate the opposite :) J2m5 (talk) 10:46, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:NPOL and WP:BIO. Coverage is mainly about her making statements as a councillor rather than coverage where she is the subject. LibStar (talk) 22:03, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - why not redirect? Deus et lex (talk) 10:12, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete or redirect per WP:GNG; see also User:Bearian/Standards. Bearian (talk) 02:59, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * A Redirect seems reasonable to me.-KH-1 (talk) 10:26, 7 November 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.