Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Losfer Words


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Delete. —Quarl (talk) 2007-02-16 02:37Z 

Losfer Words

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Fails WP:MUSIC unless there are some sources out there that I wasn't able to find. janejellyroll 05:32, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Passes WP:MUSIC national radio play requirements Artist has over 90 songs surveyed in the ASCAP Ace database as having received domestic (nationwide USA) performance on commercial & college radio stations. This artist has full publisher membership in ASCAP which would indicate verified commercial CDs releases at the the national level. AudioJin


 * Delete: fails WP:MUSIC. AudioJin: I fail to see on the ASCAP database that being listed means being played nationwide, and no one doubts that they have made commercially available CD's, only that they have received any verifiable attention (via WP:RS). Icouldn't ind any after a short search, and as long as no one else adds them, it should be deleted. Fram 11:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

The copyright owners hold exclusive distribution, public display and publishing rights to all content related to this topic and the Federal Trademark. Per the copyright holders terms of use / copyright policy Wikipedia would have to first seek permission to use their trademarked brand in an article (a public display). A good portion of this articles content is merely derived from several pages in the copyright holders site and thus only the copyright holder can authorize derivative works under US Copyright law. I would venture the content is coming from fans of the artist who are unaware there are music specific Wikis out there better suited to helping chronicle the achievements of artists they like and more open to featuring indie artists. Interesting read and good listening, but per Wiki guideline suggestions better to delete and motivate more detailed research from the zealous fans, which may result in the article being re-added later in better format and not merely cloned content from the artist official site. The artist may very well be notable for mere longevity by indie artist standards but the article needs to be original and not a mere reprint of content from an official artist web site. The same would hold true for any recording artist indie label or major. Wikipedia simply can't clone content from official artist web sites. I would also venture that any recording artist, record label, or publisher would prefer for fans to land on an official web page and not an encyclopedia article of cloned content when doing a google search. Helps their CD sales :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.149.212.108 (talk • contribs).
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 * Delete, fails WP:MUSIC, WP:COI problems. --Dhartung | Talk 04:42, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * comment The copyright owners own the text and music and artwork they have copyrighted--subject,that is, to fair use excerpts. The copyright holders do not own the right to "all content related to the topic" at least not  in the US;
 * If it is being asserted that some of the text in the article is quoted beyond fair use, see WP:COPYRIGHT, since WP has well-developed procedures for challenging it, & always removes such material. DGG 04:48, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * DGG, I believe that 172.149.212.108 is and just wasn't logged in. That editor's very short track record suggests a somewhat idiosyncratic view of trademark rights, or at least of their importance in this context. --Dhartung | Talk 19:15, 12 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.