Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lou Haneles (2nd nomination)


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The result was   keep. -- Cirt (talk) 04:24, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Lou Haneles
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I just don't see this guy meeting WP:BIO or WP:ATHLETE, all the sources that were mentioned was passing mention paragraphs, not comprensive coverage, can't find nothing more on google, last nomination was of bad faith, Delete Secret account 20:51, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
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 * Weak delete This is a tough one. I have seen sufficient sources on other sites, but they have not been added to the article. I still have to say, the article could have a chance at meeting the general notability guidelines. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 20:59, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Wow. Two nominations in the same month. Significant coverage on the many different aspects of his professional career. There is no deadline on the article being improved. The subject meets general notability guidelines, as it did four weeks ago. Vodello (talk) 22:48, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Managing a baseball team back in the 1940s (where's theres hundreds of minor league teams) isn't a claim to notability, I did a google news search, there is some coverage back when he was a college baseball player (all of them local sources as he played college in New York) but that isn't a claim to notability nither, the Sporting News sources everything on baseball so coverage is expected of him and every other minor leaguer that played from 1887-circa 1960 when they trimmed the baseball coverage and started focusing on other sports. One of the articles about him, the next article that follows is about the illness of the wife of an minor league player, is that notable? No. There isn't no extended significant coverage other than the source Rlendog provided, everything else is passing mentions. I did my research before nominating this article to AFD. We need to be clearer in WP:N about local, and bias (like the Sporting News which sourced everything about baseball even if the player gets into a car accident) references being used. Secret account 04:01, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * If you did your research, why did you omit the facts that he co-founded the National Girls Baseball League in the 1940s and ran a school, working as instructor and general manager that taught players such as Hoyt Wilhelm, Dick Howser, Bill Virdon, Ken Boyer, and Virgil Trucks? Vodello (talk) 04:08, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Finding a semi-profesional league that doesn't meet WP:N isn't a claim to notability, the second one could be a claim to notability though. Secret account 04:20, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - I am leery of keeping articles on baseball players who never played above AA without more evidence of notability. But he did more than play.  And there are 4 Sporting News sources (which I do not have access to) given in the article, which seems to provide a start to notability.  And if Brian Halvorsen is correct about seeing sufficient sources on other sites, the correct decision would seem to be keep, even if those sources have not been included in the article yet.  I also found at least one piece of significant coverage of him online . Rlendog (talk) 02:23, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Paperofrecord.com sign up and research the topic, it's a great source for Major League players before 1960 but also bad because it mentions every little thing about baseball that isn't news worthy (death of minor league player, article on the people on the concessions stands, illnesses of spouce, overload of minor league information), so coverage there from that time period I don't consider as significant. Secret account 04:01, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Whose opinion should carry more weight as to what is newsworthy: You, or the professional media outlet that was highly successful printing and selling those kinds of stories for more than a hundred years? -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 23:29, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:01, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Keep per Vodello and Rlendog. Peter Karlsen (talk) 00:41, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Article as currently written already meets WP:GNG (though title and author attribution would be nice, as would in-line cites). -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 23:29, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. Spanneraol (talk) 12:41, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep seems notable enough to me Dreamspy (talk) 22:17, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.