Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lou Palmisano


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Consensus is that the subject passes WP:GNG regardless of WP:ATHLETE. (non-admin closure) Timotheus Canens (talk) 00:51, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Lou Palmisano
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This individual is a career minor league baseball player, which in itself is not enough to establish notability. When I proposed deletion through WP:PROD, an editor noted that there was coverage of him. Having only now looked at those sources, I believe they are not sufficient to establish notability. This coverage is not significant (the ESPN article linked on Talk:Lou Palmisano isn't about him, and only briefly mentions his name, the others are fan sites and game recaps, which of course exist in the internet age. I'd like to see the result of this as we continue to consider the issue of notability for minor league baseball players. Muboshgu (talk) 18:36, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete – Sorry to say at this time. Has not met the requirements, as established by Athlete,  as he has not  competed at a “…fully professional level of the sport”  Thanks ShoesssS Talk 19:10, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Putting aside any issues about minor leagues being fully professional, people who meet the general notability requirement are notable even if they fail WP:ATH. Rlendog (talk) 21:37, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Meets WP:GNG. Unusual level of accomplishment as a minor league player - Pioneer League MVP in 2003, Pioneer League All-Star in 2003 and Florida State League All-Star in 2004. Profiled in the South Florida Sun-Sentinel and in Baseball America's 2004 Prospect Guide (subscribers-only online link), among other places. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 20:56, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I don't know that MVP's of low-level minor league baseball are enough for notability, but I'm moved by the write-up in the Sun-Sentinel. A subscription-only link implies he's not notable outside a select group of insiders. --Muboshgu (talk) 22:26, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The Baseball America link is subscribers only because it's reprinted content from an annual book they publish. If they didn't make it subscribers-only, nobody would buy the book. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 23:01, 23 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep - Meets WP:N per HBWS's sources. Rlendog (talk) 21:36, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Passes WP:ATHLETE (Minor league baseball is professional, see professional baseball) and passes WP:WPBB/N (article cites independent, reliable sources). --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 00:02, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I never said minor league baseball wasn't professional. It's not the highest level of competition though.  From WP:WPBB/N: "Minor league players, managers, coaches, executives, and umpires are not assumed to be inherently notable." --Muboshgu (talk) 22:26, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * It goes on to say that to establish notability they must cite independent and reliable sources. "Not assumed to be inherently notable" means just because they are baseball players doesn't mean they're notable, not that they are not notable no matter what. That wording is there so people don't create articles for players who don't get sufficient coverage. Also, I never said that you said MiLB wasn't professional. I wasn't addressing you, I was making an argument based on my interpretations of the guidelines. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 22:36, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. Doc Quintana (talk) 21:43, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Not terribly notable. He never played at the highest level of baseball, in fact he never even reached the highest level of minor league baseball. Alex (talk) 07:20, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep, meets WP:GNG as demonstrated above. Lankiveil (speak to me) 11:00, 24 December 2009 (UTC).
 * Keep per HBWS. Spanneraol (talk)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.