Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Loud Like Love (song) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. No further deletion discussions need be opened on this for at least 2 years. &mdash; Coffee //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 02:32, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Loud Like Love (song)
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Song/single does not appear to satisfy independent notability criteria. FamblyCat94 (talk) 00:41, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment. So why didn't you consider merging it to the album? --Michig (talk) 07:22, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 22:31, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 22:32, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 22:32, 27 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep. The fact that we are even having this AfD is sincerely absurd, since an exact same one was held over a year ago and the result was Keep. Nothing has changed since. However, given this occurrence of simply ignoring plain precedent, let us reiterate what has already been written and agreed upon.


 * In fact, not a single reason exists to delete this article. The notability box at the top of the article was added by one user, without a bit of discussion (there's none on the article's talk page), without any reasoning or justification and contrary to WP rules. I apologize for not having removed that unduly-added box myself, from the mere addition of which this discussion apparently results.


 * The article is about a single by Placebo, a highly notable band, with an entire, well-developed "article space" devoted to them (discography, albums, singles, other releases, members, former members, etc.). There is a Wikipedia article for every single Placebo have released, all of them fulfilling the WP guidelines for articles of this kind, including references to external, independent sources writing on the subject.
 * To be certain, all WP guidelines are unequivocally met. The article satisfies all of them and more:


 * 1) Its subject is notable.
 * 2) It is part of a series of articles, encompassing a chronological progression, which all need to exist, side by side, for the reader to be able to receive complete information on the subject.
 * 3) It is also related and contains information on other highly notable artists, in this case Bret Easton Ellis, who have collaborated with the main artist. Information on that collaboration cannot be found in any other article.
 * 4) It is easy for the reader to understand exactly what the article is about and how to reach it. If the reader is not interested in the subject, there is no reason they will encounter this article. However, if the reader is interested in the subject, they need this article and will be interested in the information it provides.
 * 5) The article has existed on Wikipedia for over four years now, helping readers get the information they require and not generating any notability issues, except for one "notability box" added mistakenly by only one user, without any discussion and contrary to WP rules.
 * 6) Last but not least, the article is referenced with external sources, unrelated and independent from the band. Those sources have written about the article's subject. Additional sources, if necessary, can easily and quickly be added.


 * In summary, the article fully satisfies the notability guidelines. It seems that even mentioning a possible deletion of this article was simply a misunderstanding, caused by not attending to the fact that the article is notable and does reference to external, independent sources. This article provides readers, both new and well-acquainted with the subject, the knowledge they need, in an organized, informative manner. It should certainly be kept. A.R. (talk) 03:24, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Merge to album Does not meet WP:NSONGS: there is no indication in the article that the song is "the subject[1] of multiple,[2] non-trivial[3] published works whose sources are independent of the artist and label." The article refs are 1) a release announcement by the band, 2) a link to the video, and 3) a brief description of the video in AdAge. A Google book search didn't produce any usable sources and a general search only confirms that it exists.  Also, NSONGS includes: "Notability aside, a standalone article is appropriate only when there is enough material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; articles unlikely ever to grow beyond stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album."  This article was created over 4½ years and is still a stub; most likely, it will be a WP:PERMASTUB.  All of the information could be included in the album article and there is no reason to have a separate article. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:48, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. The refs are weak but passable, topic generally passes gng, suggest user AR adds in a couple of other refs to prevent further afds. Szzuk (talk) 19:50, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   08:29, 4 December 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 17:04, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Legitimate article. Sufficient coverage. gidonb (talk) 22:15, 18 December 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.