Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Louis Martinie'


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The result was   keep.  MBisanz  talk 01:38, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

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The article has been tagged for notability for over two years now and zero notability has been established. It's time to delete it. Fails WP:AUTHOR, WP:BK, WP:ENTERTAINER, WP:CREATIVE, WP:GNG, WP:RS, and any other policy you care to throw at it. Qworty (talk) 08:10, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: I'm finding him as a very brief mention in some books, but it's very brief and not all of these are necessarily books that might count towards notability. I notice that in most of them it's one specific book that's used as a reference for the material., , , Tokyogirl79 (talk) 08:56, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm... I'm leaning towards saying that it might be better to create an entry for the specific book that he keeps getting sourced for and then potentially redirect there. (, [ Voices of the African Diaspora])Tokyogirl79 (talk) 09:00, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 21:56, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 21:56, 15 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Sallie_Ann_Glassman. Article says author is 'best known' for a single book, New Orleans VooDoo Tarot (1992) which often comes with a set of tarot cards. This is supported by going to LibraryThing and looking up the Louis Martinie' titles held in private libraries, he really is best known for one book. However, according to: "Yorùbá Influences on Haitian Vodou and New Orleans Voodoo", Journal of Black Studies, Vol. 37, No. 5, May., 2007, pp. 775-791 -- the book was actually co-written with Sallie Ann Glassman, another New Orleans "Voodoo priestess" (previously "a White Jewish artist from Maine"). The source says Glassman "gained national fame by designing a New Orleans Voodoo tarot deck". Another (unreliable) source says it is the "first African-American themed tarot deck". So really the person behind the Tarot set is Sallie Glassman (who now runs the Island of Salvation Botanica), although this co-authored book does seem to have some claim to notability, but really it's the tarot cards that are probably the most notable, not the book, not Martinie'. So long story, I recommend a paragraph or so on the New Orleans VooDoo Tarot in Tarot_cards. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 07:59, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Argh, just found the article Sallie Ann Glassman which basically confirms everything. So I think redirect the book title to Glassman's article, create a sub-section for the book & tarot cards, and have a sentence or two about the co-author along with a redirect. -- Green Cardamom] ([[User talk:Green Cardamom|talk) 08:18, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Created a sub-section for the cards/book in Sallie's article and a sentence about the co-author. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 19:50, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Keep per The Steve. No credible refutation of indicators of notability, just handwaving. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 19:16, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - The Boston Herald called him "an internationally known voodoo drummer". I have added a cite to the article.    Th e S te ve   08:43, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. His recording Festival & Ritual Drumming (with Mishlen Linden) was one of the first instructional guides of it's kind. His work with the New Orleans Voodoo Spiritual Temple as their primary ritual drummer and his founding of Black Moon Publishing among other accomplishments make him, IMO, notable.Rosencomet (talk) 04:11, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * You're citing primary sourcing, not the secondary sourcing that's required for notability, per WP:42. Qworty (talk) 06:32, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * There are enough independent secondary sources in the article right now to meet the GNG.   Th e S te ve   07:23, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Every source is a passing mention. Per GNG: "Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention". Per WP:WHYN: "We require 'significant coverage' in reliable sources so that we can actually write a whole article". The article is only one sentence because there are no in-depth sources to say anything with. No one has ever written about him, that we can find. I looked at the Boston Herald source (full text) and it mentions Louis one time about being "internationally known" and no other mention. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 08:53, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Page now moved to Louis Martinié, since we're not restricted to characters that appear on a US keyboard. Nyttend (talk) 14:11, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Keep. Folklore1 (talk) 00:14, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

keep Louis Martinies book New Orleans Voodoo Tarot has sold over 25,000 copies and is the primary author, not Sallie Ann Glassman, who is the illustrator who created the deck of cards accompanying the book. Louis is not the co-author he is the only author, and he also holds the copyright. The publisher is Destiny Books of Rochester Vermont, which is an imprint of Inner Traditions Publishing.Maegdlyn Morris 04:51, 19 November 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maegdlyn (talk • contribs)
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