Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Louise Groothoff


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The result was   delete. postdlf (talk) 21:10, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Louise Groothoff

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Non-notable victim of a non-notable crime; also, parts of the article seem to be original research. My analysis is based on reading the three New York Times articles cited in the article (Models Accuse Man, Cooper is Committed, and Business World for March 24, 1933), plus a few other news stories that are free from a local history website (short items near the bottoms of the pages on and ; also stories in column 6 on  and ). Louise Groothoff was a 22-year-old model who was one of two young models kidnapped by a 24-year-old man who lured them to his house by pretending to be an artist seeking models, tied them up and gagged them, then sat in a corner reading a book. The women were unharmed. Nothing about the crime seems to be notable. The man was declared insane and committed to a mental hospital; end of story. The article asserts that the crime was notable because of its association with a trade union for models, the name and address of which is given in the article. One of the sources does state that the young man had engaged the women through the organization named in the article, but nothing in any of the sources that I found suggests that this fact had any bearing on the disposition of the case or had any future implications for this union. As near as I can determine, the assertion that the connection with the union made the crime notable is original research with no verifiable basis. (Furthermore, if the article topic is notable, it should be recast as an article about the crime, not one of the victims.) Orlady (talk) 15:46, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Orlady (talk) 15:55, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete I can't see how this gets past WP:CRIME or WP:1EVENT, and it happened in the 1930's. Just not. § FreeRangeFrog croak 18:26, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete seems to fail WP:VICTIM, because the crime had no broad long term ramifications (and the article doesn't claim any either). I don't understand the claim to notability (member of a trade union) made by the author! Sionk (talk) 19:32, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails general notability guidlines. --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 22:27, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per FRF. Niteshift36 (talk) 18:53, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
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