Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lourdino Barreto


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus.  MBisanz  talk 00:43, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Lourdino Barreto

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Not sufficiently notable. The one award claimed was an award created by this article's author himself (see Dom Martin). The only source cited that wasn't also created by this article's author is basically the subject's obituary. Rklawton (talk) 14:40, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - no reliable independent source to establish notability.--Boffob (talk) 15:48, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per Boffob Clubmarx (talk) 11:29, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Has an entry in a specialist paper encyclopedia, so per the WP:Five Pillars is a suitable subject for a Wikipedia article. I'd also like to ask why being "basically the subject's obituary" makes a source ineligible - obituaries are amongst the best sources we can have to show notability because they show that subjects are considered by third parties to be notable enough for their lives to be written about. Phil Bridger (talk) 23:04, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply Good question. My point was that just about everyone gets an obit.  So if that's the best source the authors can come up with, it's a clear sign of the subject's lack of notability.  As for your other point, I would expect a book or at least a few articles dedicated to this biographical subject rather than an extraordinarily brief book mention.Rklawton (talk) 23:46, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You misread, he called it one of the best type of sources because it is a well-researched piece of information on the subject that covers large parts of his life. It's not neccesarily the best or only reference you have. - Mgm|(talk) 18:43, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * My point was that an obit is not an indication of notability. Rklawton (talk) 18:49, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Here are some additional links related to Fr. Lourdino Barretto. I am sure I can come up with more (as well as for Fr. Chico Monteiro, whose article is slated for deletion):

An award has been instituted by Kala Academy in honor of Fr. Lourdino Barretto http://www.kalaacademy.org/Schedule1.htm A short biography of Professor Maestro Lourdinho Barreto http://www.songs-from-goa.at/goa/barreto.php

http://www.india-seminar.com/2004/543/543%20d.%20mauzo,%20xavier%20cota.htm

http://www.ismps.de/India_ISMPS.htm

The award that i had founded (Vincent Xavier Verodiano Award) -- which was posthumously conferred on Fr. Lourdino -- and reference to which has since been deleted by Rklawton, should not prejudice Fr. Lourdino Barreto's notability in his own right. --Dommartin99 (talk) 05:53, 30 November 2008 (UTC) 
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   -- Raven1977 (talk) 04:27, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions.   -- Raven1977 (talk) 04:27, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 13:58, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Having an entry in a paper encyclopedia is a good reason to keep in my opinion. - Mgm|(talk) 18:43, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete No offense intended, but I don't think the subject meets our guidelines for inclusion. I think it would be more appropriate to include him in the appropriate articles related to his work. Bless you all.ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:24, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep I'm happy to join the consensus! It seems there is notability after all. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:30, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, obituary in Navtimes and encylopedia entry add up to significant coverage from independent sources. Juzhong (talk) 01:00, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Clearly satisfies WP:BIO; major newspaper obits are strong, generally decisive evidence for notability, as they are highly selective, and there are several obits, newspaper and others, for him. Awards, obits, other refs now in article quite sufficient.John Z (talk) 01:05, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


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