Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lover Fest


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Juliette Han (talk) 09:42, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Lover Fest

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This tour has absolutely no scheduled dates, this could be easily merged into the album page. Fails both WP:CRYSTAL and WP:NTOURS. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 15:14, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. —  Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 15:14, 27 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep All dates already shifted to 2021 and very well-sourced to their move; nominator was already told this when they attempted a Sisyphean redirect to the article album without discussion, and the other sourced information about the 2020 dates and plans already made this an impossible merge target.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 17:32, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Please refer to the WP:NTOURS and you'll see that announcements, postponements and cancellations are not enough to warrant an article. There are no dates scheduled. And I'm not sure what me redirecting the article originally has to do with anything here. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 19:30, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment There's enough with the planning and milestones to retain this article, along with its past confirmed dates. We're not deleting an article that involved a wholesale sell-out of every date worldwide because 'it didn't happen'; every bank account, vendor, and venue would beg to differ despite its postponement.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 00:37, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of COVID-19-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 00:17, 28 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep As mentioned above, these concert dates have been rescheduled to 2021. While specific dates aren't chosen, everyone who bought a ticket to a show still has a ticket to that show; additionally, it is still possible to purchase tickets even now. If the page is deleted, it will simply have to be recreated next year anyways when the tour actually happens. Lover Fest is an album tour by one of the highest profile artists in the music industry. Not having a Wikipedia page for their latest album tour would be highly irregular. Teddybearearth (talk) 12:36, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Your rationality is completely WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. This is a tour that has no dates. We don't know when the tour will happen, if it even will end up happening at all. This fails multiple Wikipedia guidelines on notability, as I have pointed out here. This article is nothing but announcements, postponements and cancellations. Nothing is concrete. If the tour happens, a new article can be created then. But until then, this is WP:TOOSOON. This isn't a Taylor Swift fansite. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 19:26, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Black Kite (talk) 21:21, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Lover (album), and once dates are announced it can be restored. Concert tours as large-scale and international as Taylor Swift's have way too much uncertainly at the moment. --Prosperosity (talk) 05:08, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Please do refer to Taylor Swift's official website as it was stated that the re-scheduled dates for the tour will be announced later this year. I believe it is a good idea to have this page available until further notice: "The U.S. and Brazil shows will be rescheduled to take place in 2021, with dates to be announced later this year." But if you believe that the statement from her official website is not compliant to the Wikipedia's guidelines and such, you may so delete this article then. Aimndae (talk) 11:07, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep Just because this technically breaks a guideline because it doesn't have announced dates is not a good enough reason for deletion. Because of the unique circumstances of the Covid pandemic, this is likely the case for a lot of very big events. It seems a bit counter-productive to delete an decent article on a notable topic just to have it rewritten in 3-5 weeks when the new dates are announced. Use WP:COMMONSENSE. This tour has gotten a lot of coverage from articles of its announcements, articles covering the nature of the tour, of course the cancelation.... It's a very notable topic. It easily passes WP:GNG. AlessandroTiandelli333 (talk) 00:15, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep There's a butt-load of sources for this. Stuartyeates (talk) 04:36, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - Since the tour is confirmed to still be happening. Postponement has never been grounds for deletion, especially for a Taylor Swift tour for god's sake.--NØ 11:47, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.