Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lower Birch Island


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Spartaz Humbug! 03:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Lower Birch Island

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Non-notable: "The Lower Birch Island has only one home, and is a private island." Prodded once. Bxj (talk) 21:36, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Nominator is proposing delete and not the other options. --Bxj (talk) 21:50, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * That's fairly superfluous. This is Articles for deletion.  One doesn't come here unless one is nominating an article for deletion. Uncle G (talk) 03:01, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply Regarding the detail that you picked up: in theory, yes, but in practice some users may get confused without me explicitly stating so. Other nominators might incorrectly suggest merge, etc. at an AfD, in practice. It's just to be non-ambiguous. --Bxj (talk) 06:25, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Almost no-one gets confused. This is, after all, in the Guide.  There's no ambiguity.  Furthermore, closing administrators can read.  We really don't need to be told that a reply is a "Reply". Uncle G (talk) 17:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * What's your point? It doesn't sound like you're making a correction to a mistake, or talking about the deletion request.--Bxj (talk) 23:30, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Maine-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:30, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Google Books tells me that Islands of the Mid-Maine Coast: Mount Desert to Machias Bay has things to say on the history of Upper and Lower Birch islands. Uncle G (talk) 03:01, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I can't tell who the nominator was on this one, although everyone seems to be critical of the guy... Mandsford 13:17, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply I nominated this article for AfD because there is no hint of potential notability mentioned in the article, not even now, just like the 4,612 other non-notable small islands of Maine. With the situation remaining the same after the prod tag was removed, the next step was AfD. The original contributor has happened to submit three articles of similar nature, but even if the three articles were submitted by three different individuals, the reception by the Wikipedia general public would not have changed one bit, because the articles themselves are being judged, not the contributor(s). A different contributor would not have aided the notability problems inherent in this article. Any insinuation that the articles themselves are not what is being judged is completely baseless, but I would like to know if there was any narrative in particular that I might not have heard of. Instead of baseless insinuations, it should be as simple as an article meeting some level of notability for inclusion in Wikipedia, which is the basis for this AfD proposal to begin with. --Bxj (talk) 06:25, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Definite Keep: I spruced up the article some.  After AfD closure, I might recommend moving to Birch Islands (Maine) and treating with Upper Birch Island at the same time.  I am not sure, but it appears that upper birch island is now a preserve of the Nature Conservancy.  I added a book source reference to the article which treats both islands together, and that grouping may make sense here as well -- they are labeled Birch Islands on the map i added as well.  Cheers.--Milowent (talk) 21:07, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I would recommend against creating a Birch Islands (Maine) article. Lower Birch Island is a miniature, private island, with one house on it. Regardless of notability standards (I wouldn't find this notable for Wikipedia inclusion even if I owned it), if there's nothing to mention besides name and location, it could be mentioned instead in the bay article, along with all the other miniature islands that the bay contains, most of which apparently aren't mentioned on Wikipedia yet. Then you get the mention of Lower Birch Island in Wikipedia that you want, along with all the other islands in the bay and not just the two islands of Birch Islands. However, consider the fact that Maine contains 4,613 islands . I'm not sure if this figure counts islands as small and non-notable as this one. There are far more islands globally, which is partially why we have notability standards on Wikipedia. --Bxj (talk) 03:34, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Another comment As a former long time inhabitant of a New England coastal town myself, I could tell you that these bays tend to have several small islands in it that not even the locals are aware of. Maybe if you were a yacht enthusiast, you'll get to spot them visually during navigation so as to avoid running into it, but that's about it. Most have no notability by any standards. --Bxj (talk) 03:56, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Whereever it makes most sense to organize the materials is fine with me, perhaps a redirect to the Pleasant Bay article, and listing verifiable islands there, with any verifiable information included, makes the most sense. I would note that the book I cited in the article does appear to have a brief history of each of the Birch Islands in it, including some disputes over ownership in the early 1800s, but I don't have full text access.  If Maine has 4,613 islands, I think ultimately they all should be listed somewhere, but individual articles probably wouldn't be the best way to organize them for the reader.--Milowent (talk) 13:17, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.