Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lowercase (band)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. There is no consensus here on whether this article meets the notability guidelines or not. Davewild (talk) 17:46, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Lowercase (band)

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Unsourced article about a band. I was only able to find this source. Apparently fails WP:BAND. - MrX 02:23, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  Everymorning   talk  02:30, 8 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Imaad Wasif, whose notability appears to be significantly clearer. Everymorning   talk  02:30, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:GNG and Imaad Wasif has been in over 7 bands and is not notable for being in this band.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 03:29, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. Passes WP:GNG and two criteria of WP:NBAND - 2 albums on Amphetamine Reptile Records and coverage such as, , , , . At the very least it should be merged to Imaad Wasif. --Michig (talk) 06:23, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:36, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Comment-neutral on this now, I do think it does need sources though! Wgolf (talk) 19:36, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 21:37, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * This comprehensively fails WP:GNG now Imaad Wasif has played solo and in  Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Alaska!, The New Folk Implosion, EFG,  and Grim Tower bands amongst others and is not associated with the Lowercase band alone he also founded Alaska! hence did not support redirect and the fact that the band had 2 albums on Amphetamine Reptile Records but got disbanded after that .These facts are mentioned in the Imaad Wasif article. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:46, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
 * It clearly doesn't fail WP:GNG. The rest of your argument I didn't understand at all. --Michig (talk) 20:08, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your note.I have clarified it below.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 03:07, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 17:03, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. Added references. Nom, friendly reminder to always check Allmusic for a bio before nominating for deletion, as part of WP:Before. Tends to save some time. Earflaps (talk) 02:56, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
 * A listing on Allmusic does not establish notability, and it is in fact trivial and routine. Significant coverage generally means coverage in books, magazines, and news sources.- MrX 12:56, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Does not meet General notability guideline does not have Significant coverage these, , are trivial and routine.220.245.67.182 (talk) 10:07, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
 * "Trivial" is somewhat open to interpretation in wp:musicbio No. 1, though Allmusic reviews are reliable. What is your conclusion on musicbio No. 5? Earflaps (talk) 12:29, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment Allmusic is not a reliable source as per multiple discussions in the Reliable sources/Noticeboard and there is no clear consensus 1  2 3 and 4 discussions  going through  List of  discussions clearly shows it.
 * These references merely say that the band existed and its members none of them is indepth Only mentions that a Band existed and its membersThis is also brief Very brief review on a Album and another brief review on a Album   .These are trivial mentions clearly not significant coverage to meet WP:GNG.Further the band was disbanded over 15 years ago after a brief existance hence except for being mentioned maybe as Imran Imaad Wasif's first band cannot see any further coverage.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 02:56, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Confused - why is how long the band survived/when it existed remotely relevant? It's never mentioned in wp:musicbio, which is our only standard for bands. (also, pharaoh, would you mind starting your comments with two colons? or two bllet points? otherwise, the discussion gets difficult to scan. Earflaps (talk) 19:18, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Still not making much sense. Allmusic bios and reviews are reliable sources and have been accepted as such for a long time. These are in some cases brief but certainly not trivial mentions - they are album reviews, not 'reviews on songs'. There was nobody in the band named Imran. --Michig (talk) 06:56, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I refered to Imaad Wasif wrongly mentioned him as Imran and meant Album.Thanks for pointing it out.But clearly  there is no consensus in the Reliable sources/Noticeboard that Allmusic  is a WP:RS source.That is right from 2008 Discussion

2009 discussion in which you commented to the recent  April 2015 discussion and most of these discussions over the years there is no consensus and opinions are divided. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 07:29, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * There have been a lot of discussions regarding Allmusic, but it is a professional site with staff writers several of whom are well known music writers outside of Allmusic. A few discussions based on the misguided idea that finding an error (or simply something that one editor doesn't agree with) in a source means that it doesn't satisfy WP:RS with little input from other editors does not make it an unreliable source. It has been listed at WikiProject Albums/Sources as a reliable source for years. None of those arguing for deletion have yet addressed the possibility of merging to Imaad Wasif or apparently considered the likelihood that a band that disbanded over 15 years ago is likely to have more coverage in print sources than on the web. --Michig (talk) 13:20, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Even more problematic, no-one is addressing their thoughts on the two albums, which fulfil No. 5 and should make Allmusic moot entirely. I'm personally against merging until the page has a chance to grow a bit more, though if after a time it proves hard to find online sources to expand much, merging (w/out info loss) seems like a fine option according to wp:split. Merging always makes things more complicated for readers and messes with page structure, IMO, so I always like to look at a merge as a last resort. (btw, Michig, thank you for clarifying earlier the difference between "brief" and "trivial." I concur). Earflaps (talk) 19:25, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
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