Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lu-Yu Tea Culture Institute


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Uncertainty abounds regarding this article, but there is no consensus to delete despite two relists. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  14:03, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Lu-Yu Tea Culture Institute

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Non-notable tea store that offers classes on how to drink tea. Fails WP:GNG. Snotty Wong  express 20:20, 23 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Well if all they do is "offer classes on how to drink tea", they're obviously unimportant! Without wishing to fall foul of WP:OUTING, I admit I'd always assumed that an editor with the name "Wong" had some Asian background, and thus likely some knowledge of tea's cultural significance. It appears that I was wrong, and that you're happy to nominate on the basis of ignorantly dismissing another's culture as unimportant (and of course, a side-order of WP:JUSTNOTNOTABLE).


 * When you're done here, perhaps The Book of Tea next, as that's just one of far too many little cookbooks about tea. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:37, 24 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Accusations of my ignorance of culture are unimportant. All I need to see is the lack of reliable sources.  Your knowledge of WP:CIVIL and WP:PERSONAL seems to be lacking however.  And not that it matters but, for the record, I'm not asian.  Have fun updating your internal representation of my nationality.  Please keep the discussion to the article, and leave your accusations and assumptions of the personal nature of the nominator out of it.    Snotty Wong   confabulate 15:04, 24 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I have no idea if this article meets WP:N or not, or whether it should be deleted. However to present it for deletion on the basis that "offering classes on how to drink tea" was faintly ridiculous is very narrow-minded of you. Andy Dingley (talk) 17:18, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I understand how difficult it must be for you to make a comment without personally insulting me, but I'll ask you yet again to do your best in the future.   Snotty Wong   confer 17:55, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

also check the links for references, including the offical site. There is nothing commercial in the article. icetea (talk) 07:43, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Lu-Yu Tea Culture Institute has tea culture classes and has certification for tea master, over four levels, also some of the classes are transferable to Tenfu Tea College.
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 10:02, 24 July 2010 (UTC)


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Lu-Yu Tea Culture Institute, in Lonely Planet From the bottom of page 60. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ckbkCwa06qI/R9XQX7Z-6mI/AAAAAAAAAeo/FMHfsmb3WiE/s1600-h/DSC06980email.JPG Taiwan Travel Guide Lonely Planet 7th Edition / November 2007 ISBN: 9781741045482 400 pp / 16 pp colour / 89 maps next edition due: October 2011 Robert Kelly, Joshua Samuel Brown icetea (talk) 06:13, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Lu-Yu Tea Culture Institute is In Lonely Planet Taiwan
 * I don't think that is really a reliable source, more like an advertisement. Also, it seems interesting that the picture of the ad you included here lists an email address of icetea8@gmail.com, and your Wikipedia username happens to be Icetea8.  This is what we call a conflict of interest.  Editors are highly discouraged from creating articles on subjects to which they are closely related or involved.  Wikipedia is not the place to advertise your business.    Snotty Wong   gossip 14:20, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

This is to snottywong's statements about, "icetea8" and "... place to advertise your business", Yes I am icetea8 here, gmail, tweeter, facebook, I don't hide that. Lonely Planet informs and aids people where to go on trips, you called that an "ad". I am an instructor at the school, it is not a business that I own. If you search me, you will never find any business advertising. One of my main goals is to give the English speaking community exposure to Chinese topics, like tea culture. icetea (talk) 02:32, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * If the tea school was notable enough for an article, then it would be covered by reliable sources and the article would not have to be written by one of its employees.   Snotty Wong   chatter 04:46, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Remember it is located in Taiwan and has schools in China so a Chinese search of "trad: 陸羽茶藝中心/simp: 陆羽茶艺中心" which is the Official Chinese name for the Institute will give more references. icetea (talk) 06:31, 26 July 2010 (UTC)


 * If the only reliable sources for this subject are in chinese, then perhaps this article is more appropriate for the chinese language Wikipedia.  Snotty Wong   confer 15:22, 26 July 2010 (UTC)


 * No, this is not how notability works. Proposals to amend WP:N to add requirements like this have repeatedly failed. If this actually had sources it Chinese, it should be kept. However, it doesn't ... cab (call) 03:54, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

In searching of "trad: 陸羽茶藝中心/simp: 陆羽茶艺中心" which is the official name of the school, the English in the past has had another spelling, Lu Yu Tea Art Center. icetea (talk) 17:30, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Finding References


 * You can add non-English sources, where no English source of equal quality can be found that contains the relevant material. When quoting a source in a different language, provide both the original-language quotation and an English translation. See Verifiability.  BINOY  Talk 07:43, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep The institute seems to be notable, although sources are hard to find. I added a few to the article. Among other sources of fame, the institute is the originator of the notable Wu-Wo tea ceremony. (And please don't dismiss that ceremony with an WP:IDONTKNOWIT.) --MelanieN (talk) 03:37, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: Icetea, please don't add headings to this discussion. They just make it hard to navigate. --MelanieN (talk) 03:41, 30 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete Contrary to Icetea's claim, the level of coverage in Chinese is barely any better shows 21 news articles, none of which are in-depth coverage, but rather trivial mentions where they've managed to get quoted in articles about other subjects. cab (call) 03:54, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget  00:40, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Three ways for searching Due to the fact that the Institute has used another English name in the past. If you do a search deleting -wiki, -myblog and the -offical site, you will find info in Chinese and English, search:
 * "陸羽茶藝中心" also search
 * "lu-yu tea art center" and
 * "lu-yu tea culture institute"
 * parameters of -wikipedia -teaarts -tenren -luyutea1980 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Icetea8 (talk • contribs) 18:06, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  09:22, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.