Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lucílio Batista


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The result was   keep. WP:SNOW  MBisanz  talk 01:39, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Lucílio Batista

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Article holds no assertion of notability. Subject is a referee who has refereed during a few championships, but nothing making him specifically notable for doing his job. ThuranX (talk) 04:30, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - one of the top football referees in Portugal. One of the 9 FIFA internacional referres from Portugal. lijealso (talk) 20:15, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:02, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. GiantSnowman 03:10, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep official who has refereed at the highest level - continent-wide championships & international matches - and therefore meets notability. GiantSnowman 03:12, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply No, it doesn't. Refereeing makes you notable? What about regular season Referees of the major league level? Umpires? Which sports? This article, and frankly, all of the Portuguese referee category refs, seem to lack any actual assertions of notability through WP:RS. This is a walled garden of non-notable individuals. All of them should be up. ThuranX (talk) 04:34, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - Article needs some work but subject seems notable through his involvement in professional matches and tournaments. Camw (talk) 03:37, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * ReplyThen how about some proof of that? ThuranX (talk) 04:34, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * FIFA Confederations Cup 2003 Game 1 and Game 2 Camw (talk) 04:42, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * EURO 2004 Game 1 and Game 2. Camw (talk) 04:51, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Plus the numerous games listed in the Profile page linked to in the current article are plenty to show notability. Camw (talk) 04:54, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * no, those do NOT show notability. that's just an index of who was there. There's nothing supporting that this person has done anything individually notable, and there's nothing that indicates that being a FIFA official is inherently notable either. ThuranX (talk) 22:11, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Under the WP:Athlete guidelines, all the players from those games are notable, so the referee who plays just as important part in the game should be notable as well. Camw (talk) 22:35, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * But that's explicitly NOT in the Notability guideline, and per Any Biography, he'd need special recognitions, awards and such. He has none. ThuranX (talk) 22:48, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I see the subject as perfectly notable. You aren't convinced otherwise and that is fine, but my assertion that the article should be kept will remain. Camw (talk) 23:43, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * But you haven't explained any reasons, beyond a vague ILIKEFIFA. ThuranX (talk) 00:00, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually I've said that I believe officiating at international and major continental level tournaments satisfies me in regards to notability. As for your comment in the last edit summary, it doesn't really matter if you give my opinion no weight, it will be down to the closing administrator to weight up the comments and opinion of everyone here in regards to consensus. Camw (talk) 00:39, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - This guy has refereed several games in both the Champions League and the UEFA Cup, as well as in World Cup and European Championship qualifying games. Perfectly notable. – PeeJay 12:28, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Based on what, exactly? Why is that notable? It's not. Notability is not inherited. ThuranX (talk) 22:11, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - Refereeing at continental championships and beyond is definitely meeting WP:N. --Soccer-holic (talk) 12:33, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Then why are there not valid sources discussing him? Notability is not inherited.ThuranX (talk) 22:11, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Despite the repeated protestations above there are, as there would be for any top-level football referee, many reliable sources available, for example here is an article on the web site of a national radio station about the subject, this article and the last three paragraphs of this one in Portugal's newspaper of record are about him, another national radio station has an article here. They are just a few of the sources that I could find in the couple of minutes that I have available now. Football referees at this level are household names nationally and internationally (I'm sure many people in most of the world who have only a slight interest in football would recognise this guy if they bumped into him in the street), and their actions (or inactions) are discussed ad nauseam in the media every week, so there will never be a lack of potential sources. Phil Bridger (talk) 15:06, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


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