Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Luc Hensill


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. The only 'keep' was from the creator of the article; including the nominator, 3 editors felt this should be deleted, and no other editors agreed with the creator that this should be kept. A clear consensus to delete --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 16:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Luc Hensill

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Seemingly non-notable musician whose main claim to fame appears to be playing in the Tomahawk Blues Band, which was recently redirected to this article after an AFD discussion which deemed that it did not merit a standalone article. No significant coverage found and none of the references are citing significant coverage in reliable sources. Michig (talk) 05:45, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Keep Per WP:MUSIC#5 - musician has released two albums on major label. Wikipedia: Notability (music): Criteria for musicians and ensembles: 5. Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable). * PALETTE BMG UNIVERSAL # MPB 3020: The Klan, L.P. Album, Belgium, 1966. The Klan, VRT & SIMIM/IFPI, Belgian State Music Archives. PALETTE BMG UNIVERSAL (BMG is the world's third largest music publisher and the world's largest independent music publisher, UNIVERSAL is the largest business group and family of record labels in the recording industry. It is the largest of the "big four" record companies by its commanding market share and its multitude of global operations (from Wikipedia)). * EMI # 062.64312 : The Klan, L.P. Album, Belgium, 1981 (Remixed, Remasterised, new Editing & Stereo by EMI). The Klan, VRT & SIMIM/IFPI, Belgian State Music Archives. In 1981, EMI remastered, in Stereo and with a quality enhancement of sound, the L.P. Album of The Klan (Belgian band). The master tape was subjected to further electronic treatment by specialist mastering engineers. EMI released a new version of the Album because the original mastering was Mono. From Wikipedia:"Remaster (and its derivations, frequently found in the phrases digitally remastered or digital remastering) is a word marketed mostly in the digital audio age, although the remastering process has existed since recording began. Frequently advertised with regard to CD and DVD releases, remastering has become a powerful buzzword in multimedia industries, and it generally implies quality enhancement of sound to a previously existing recording frequently designed to encourage people to buy a new version on a new release". Albums References from the Vlaamse Radio- en Televisieomroep (national broadcasting organisation of the government of the Flemish-speaking northern part of Belgium) archives. Raoniz (talk) 09:07, 19 September 2010 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Raoniz (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD. Spatulli (talk) 13:23, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * That's one album, and it isn't a Luc Hensill album, he was just part of the band, so Luc Hensill does not pass criterion 5 of WP:BAND, nor any of the other criteria. How is he individually notable?--Michig (talk) 10:11, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * One album? That's your personal point of view but for the Majors, the market and the Belgian official archives, they are two different albums. Why people would go to buy something they already own? That's why the official Belgian archives have registered two albums. The ordinary re-releases are not registered two times, otherwise the album would be registered at least five times. Without those two Belgian official archives, I would never writing those pages in Wikipedia.
 * Do you mean that because he was part of the band, he did not make anything? If this is true, you have to delete thousands Wikipedia pages. If you want, between thousands, an example of someone who did not make something individually but was part of a band, see Tico Torres. You will have a really hard work if you want to delete all these type of pages :D Raoniz (talk) 13:17, 19 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment The Klan (Belgian band): Teiji Kusano of Shinko music promoted The Klan (Belgian band) in Japan: "World Music's Roland Kluger Widens Palette Distribution in Israel and Greece", Billboard, November 4, 1967. Raoniz (talk) 20:29, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:48, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment There are two different LP albums released by two different Majors label !
 * And more than that, there are five EP's and from 1950 and until now, you have the LP album, the EP album and the Single.
 * In facts, The Klan (Belgian band) has seven albums released on major label.
 * From Wikipedia: Extended play: "During the 1950s, RCA published several EP albums of Walt Disney movies, containing both the story and the songs".

Greetings Raoniz (talk) 14:29, 20 September 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:00, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * "Out of line", E.P. album (Palette Records, 1966)
 * "Join Us", L.P. album (Palette Records, 1966)
 * "Wait and see", E.P. album (Festival, France 1967)
 * "Melody maker", E.P. album (Palette Records, 1967)
 * "Sitting On My Own", E.P. album (Supraphon, Tchekia & Slovakia, 1967)
 * "Sans Toi", E.P. album (Palette Records, 1967)
 * "Join Us", remastered & stereo, L.P. album (EMI, 1981)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

Comment Per WP:MUSIC#5 - musician has released two or more albums on major label. Wikipedia: Notability (music): Criteria for musicians and ensembles: 5. Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable). From Wikipedia:"Remaster (and its derivations, frequently found in the phrases digitally remastered or digital remastering) is a word marketed mostly in the digital audio age, although the remastering process has existed since recording began. Frequently advertised with regard to CD and DVD releases, remastering has become a powerful buzzword in multimedia industries, and it generally implies quality enhancement of sound to a previously existing recording frequently designed to encourage people to buy a new version on a new release". Note: for the Majors, the market and the Belgian official archives, they are two different albums. Why people would go to buy something they already own? That's why the official Belgian archives have registered two albums. The ordinary re-releases are not registered two times, otherwise the album would be registered at least five times. Albums References from the Vlaamse Radio- en Televisieomroep (national broadcasting organisation of the government of the Flemish-speaking northern part of Belgium) archives.
 * PALETTE BMG UNIVERSAL # MPB 3020: The Klan, "Join Us", L.P. Album, Belgium, 1966. The Klan, VRT & SIMIM/IFPI, Belgian State Music Archives. PALETTE BMG UNIVERSAL (BMG is the world's third largest music publisher and the world's largest independent music publisher, UNIVERSAL is the largest business group and family of record labels in the recording industry. It is the largest of the "big four" record companies by its commanding market share and its multitude of global operations (from Wikipedia)).
 * EMI # 062.64312 : The Klan, "Join Us", L.P. Album, Belgium, 1981 (Remixed, Remasterised, new Editing & Stereo by EMI). The Klan, VRT & SIMIM/IFPI, Belgian State Music Archives. In 1981, EMI remastered, in Stereo and with a quality enhancement of sound, the L.P. Album of The Klan (Belgian band). The master tape was subjected to further electronic treatment by specialist mastering engineers. EMI released a new version of the Album because the original mastering was Mono.

The Klan (Belgian band) has seven albums released on major label: From Wikipedia: E.P. Extended play: "During the 1950s, RCA published several EP albums of Walt Disney movies, containing both the story and the songs. These usually featured the original casts of actors and actresses. Each album contained two seven-inch records, plus a fully-illustrated booklet containing the text of the recording, so that children could follow along by reading". "Some classical music albums released at the beginning of the LP era were also distributed as EP albums — notably the seven operas that Arturo Toscanini conducted on radio between 1944 and 1954" Greetings Raoniz (talk) 10:20, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * "Out of line", E.P. album (Palette Records, 1966)
 * "Join Us", L.P. album (Palette Records, 1966)
 * "Wait and see", E.P. album (Festival, France 1967)
 * "Melody maker", E.P. album (Palette Records, 1967)
 * "Sitting On My Own", E.P. album (Supraphon, Tchekia & Slovakia, 1967)
 * "Sans Toi", E.P. album (Palette Records, 1967)
 * "Join Us", remastered & stereo, L.P. album (EMI, 1981)
 * Equipe Internacional # EQI-2001: The Klan, "Join Us", L.P. Album, Sao Paulo, Brazil, 1967. Equipe Internacional was an independent label from Brazil with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable
 * Teiji Kusano of Shinko music promoted The Klan (Belgian band) in Japan: "World Music's Roland Kluger Widens Palette Distribution in Israel and Greece", Billboard, November 4, 1967.


 * Delete per nominator. Apart from that, clear wp:COI as article's author has acknowledged being the subject's son... Spatulli (talk) 13:23, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Too much WP:COI and WP:POV, doesn't satisfy WP:BAND -- argument about "two" LPs fails on the basis that one is simply a reissue of the other: that's like saying a writer has written two books simply because his one book went into a second edition with a different publisher. Jimmy Pitt   talk  10:17, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Comment: Notability (music). Criteria for musicians and ensembles: 12. Has been the subject of a half-hour or longer broadcast across a national radio or TV network. 55 minutes video excerpt from the feature movie "A Trip with Tomahawk Blues Band" has been broadcasted by most of the TV Broadcast in the world in 1969 like RTBF (national broadcasting organisation of the government of Wallonia-Brussels), Vlaamse Radio- en Televisieomroep (publicly-funded broadcaster of radio and television in Flanders (northern part of Belgium)), ... "A trip with Tomahawk Blues Band" by Marc Lobet was the first movie of the Pop Shop produced by the RTBF, they followed with Genesis (band), Savoy Brown, East of Eden (band), ... Wit-lof from Belgium: Publisher: BRT or VRT, Vlaamse Radio- en Televisieomroep (Flemish Radio and Television Network), publicly-funded broadcaster of radio and television in Flanders (northern part of Belgium) (BE), 1990, p. 86: Tomahawk Blues Band, isbn = 90-5096-069-3 Wikipedia: Notability (music). Criteria for composers and lyricists: 2. Has written musical theatre of some sort (includes musicals, operas, etc) that was performed in a notable theatre that had a reasonable run as such things are judged in their particular situation and time. Tomahawk writed and perform (one month in 1969) the Background music of "L'Aurore rouge et noire" by Fernando Arrabal for the Producer: the "Théâtre de Poche" who is a notable theater in Brussels-Capital (Théatre de Poche in French Wikipedia). Tomahawk Blues Band Website Aspasia: Archives & Museum literature asbl Center for Research and Documentation literary and drama of the French Community of Belgium: L'Aurore rouge et noire Raoniz (talk) 10:30, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
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