Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lucas Perny


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. According very little weight to spa votes and when the self promotion is rampant the bar probably sits a bit higher Spartaz Humbug! 22:26, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Lucas Perny

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article is self-promoting, its subject is also its author, subject of the article is also non-notable Dwesa (talk) 23:15, 16 October 2015 (UTC) — Dwesa (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Everymorning (talk) 23:44, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
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this is private attack to this person --158.195.206.161 (talk) 01:17, 17 October 2015 (UTC) — 158.195.206.161 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * How and why is that? SwisterTwister   talk  05:29, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Because Perny is controversial person fro his left wing views... --158.195.206.161 (talk) 09:46, 17 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete in any case as I'm not seeing much convincing to suggest keeping. Pinging and .  SwisterTwister   talk  05:29, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * why delete? There are too much references from Slovak newspapers, reviews etc. --158.195.206.161 (talk) 09:46, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I managed to find only one non-trivial article in slovak regional newspaper (one of the links to another regional newspaper referenced in an article doesn't seem to work) and 2 reviews at slovak online music portal, all other mentions on the internet are either written by Lucas Perny himself or merely mentions at various social media. As it is, I don't think the article meets criteria of WP:NMUSIC or criteria for notability in other areas (e.g. in academics). Users 158.195.206.161 and Karelgott60 might have a possible WP:COI and be a case of WP:SOCK - notice the same grammar mistakes and argumentation Dwesa (talk) 10:57, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Aktuality.sk, Zem a vek, Music-zone, Hudba.sk, Nové Slovo, Studia Politica Slovaca, Hlavné Správy and SME is not regional newspapers — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karelgott60 (talk • contribs) 11:18, 17 October 2015 (UTC)  — Karelgott60 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Article on webpage aktuality.sk is concerned with a conference, person of Lucas Perny is only mentioned. Online version of Zem a Vek has one article authored by Lukáš Perný and thus isn't independent of the subject, same goes for articles authored by the subject in Nove Slovo, Studia Politica Slovaca and Hlavne spravy. Two mentioned studies have zero citations according to Google Scholar and are usually in local scientific journals, organizing a conference isn't notable as many students do the same, having a photography with someone also isn't notable, notability of academic work of Lucas Perny is thus higly questionable. SME article is only in regional mutation of a newspaper. About other webpages, please consult criteria in WP:NMUSIC Dwesa (talk) 11:53, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Reference for information about organizating of conference is in Slovak language here: "Konferenciu zorganizovali spoločnými silami doc. Lysý a Bc. Perný v spolupráci s Inštitútom ASA..." Other reference of popularity is mass shared video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpbpIoRozzs --Karelgott60 (talk) 12:27, 17 October 2015 (UTC)


 * this is personal motivated attacks... Lucas Perny was organistaor of conference! Zem a vek read thousand of people (Lucas Perny is autohor of paper version Zem a vek, it is not online!), there are too scientific works publicated in Nové Slovo...there are full discography with reviews http://railman.szm.com/Discography.htm, scientific works http://railman.szm.com/Poetry.htm --Karelgott60 (talk) 12:00, 17 October 2015 (UTC)


 * References for articles in paper version of Zem a vek - september - Lukáš Perný: Aj grécky príklad ukázal, že revolúcia je nevyhnutná (http://www.zemavek.sk/journals/view/september-2015), october Lukáš Perný: Obrazy apokalypsy v umení a filozofii (http://www.zemavek.sk/journals/view/oktber-2015) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karelgott60 (talk • contribs) 12:22, 17 October 2015 (UTC)


 * against delete, there are too much references --Karelgott60 (talk) 10:54, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I added a photos with Perny at major events --Karelgott60 (talk) 10:55, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

The attempts to remove this wiki page are motivated by personal attacks against L. Perny. You can find enough links for his activities through a simple google search. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdventOfPanurge (talk • contribs) 12:14, 17 October 2015 (UTC) — AdventOfPanurge (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Delete per nom - This is clearly self promotion and that alone is grounds for deletion in my book!, Anyway the sources are pretty shite - One links to YT, One links to Google, 3 cites are IMHO promotion and 1 cite's a blog .... So the sources are poor and I can't find anything at all on Google News, No evidence of notability, Fails NMUSIC & GNG (Thanks for the ping :) ) – Davey 2010 Talk 14:34, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Personal attacks: https://www.facebook.com/ueunucha/photos/pb.1616102891958794.-2207520000.1445103106./1695420530693696/?type=3&theater https://www.facebook.com/ueunucha/photos/pb.1616102891958794.-2207520000.1445103106./1695346057367810/?type=3&theater https://www.facebook.com/ueunucha/photos/pb.1616102891958794.-2207520000.1445103106./1695254310710318/?type=3&theater https://www.facebook.com/ueunucha/photos/pb.1616102891958794.-2207520000.1445103106./1694998714069211/?type=3&theater http://fici.sme.sk/c/20052599/index.php/c/20058077/utrpenie-mladeho-hejtera.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdventOfPanurge (talk • contribs) 17:36, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Discography
Perny & Kollar and other projects with Miloslav Kollar
 * Lucas Perný & Miloslav Kollár - Theatrum Mundi, 2014
 * Lucas Perný & Miloslav Kollár - Astral Gate, 2012
 * Lucas Perný & Miloslav Kollár - Afternoon dreams / Drum’n’Drone, 2012
 * Braňo Hargaš, Majlo Štefánik, Lucas Perny - Australia Live In Kursalon, 2011
 * Stefanik, Perny & Kollár - Live At Club Of Artists, 2010
 * Stefanik, Perny & Kollár - Channeling Of Lady Elizabeth Báthory, 2010

with Adam faun Magula
 * Lucas Perny & Adam faun Magula - Video promo, 2014

Egon Dust
 * Egon Dust - Kabaret život, 2014
 * Egon Dust Kabaret život naživo v Rádiu Bunker/Klub za rampami DVD, 2014

with Patrik Sentivani
 * Lucas Perny & Patrik Sentivani - the Circles, 2013

with Peter Turay
 * Peter Turay & Lucas Perny - Afternoon Connection, 2013

with Matej Mikloš
 * Mikloš & Perný - EP Revolution No. 1, 2011

with Dilusion
 * Dilusion - Live at rehearsal and concert, 2009 (released at Last.fm, hudba.sk)

with Waterfall
 * The Waterfall - Demo, 2008

with Krumplipapricash
 * Krumplipapricash - Rotten Krumplipapricash, 2013
 * Lucas Perny ft. Henry - O dvoch stratených synoch, 2013
 * Krumplipapricash - The Big Oscilator, 2012
 * Krumplipapricash - Anthology, 2010

solo
 * The Rondel, 2013
 * Newborn, 2011
 * Psychedelic Springland, 2011
 * Psychedelic Winterland, 2009
 * EP Drum Solos, 2007

with Milan Perny
 * Milan Perný - CD Ľudová Veselica 1., 2012
 * Milan Perný - CD Ľudová Veselica 2., 2013
 * Milan Perný - CD Ľudová Veselica 6., 2016 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karelgott60 (talk • contribs) 17:04, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

List of concerts:
http://railman.szm.com/koncerty.htm Bratislava (Námestie pre ľudí, Hlava XXII., Malý Rím, U Dežmara, KC Dunaj), Trnava (RockCaffé The Jam, Malá Synagóga, Rádio Bunker, Art Club), Košicích (Tabačka Kulturfabrik), Topolčany (Nástupište 1-12), Modra (Vinobranie 2012), Žilina (Retro Club), Trenčín (Klub Lúč, Boogie Bar), Brezno (Bombura), Malacky, Prievidza, Nitra (na pôde Univerzity Konštantína Filozofa, klub Checkpoint), Praha a na festivaloch Beseda u Bigbítu, Tour De Town, Bikers Fest, Trip to Zen - Psy Trance Párty, Reskaá Fest, Colourfest, UV_Fest, etnaAKMnight, Festival Siete a Summerbeach Rudava.

List of references:

 * BUDAI, Andrej. Rozhovor s hudobnou skupinou Krumplipapricash. Leviceonline.sk [online]. 05/2011. . Dostupné online.
 * Mikloš a Perny zakladajú nový projekt inšpirovaný Collegium Musicum. Hudba.sk, topky.sk, reportaze.sk, MusicList.cz, news.sk [online]. Roč. 2011. Dostupné online.
 * ČERNÁKOVÁ, Jana. Nový album inšpiroval magický rondel. Nitra: Petit Press. MY Nitrianske noviny.. 12.-18.8. 2013, čís. roč. 22, s. 32 s., s. 8. Dostupné online. ISSN 1335-4418.
 * BEKMATOV, Artur. Aj nekomerčná hudba sa má posúvať k masovým poslucháčom. Tlačová agentúra Slovenskej republiky. Bratislava: TASR [online]. 15. 9. 2013. Dostupné online.
 * Lucas Perny at CSmusic. Csmusic.cz [online]. . Dostupné online.
 * MALECHA, M. RECENZE: Lukáš Perný: Kontrakultúra v kulturologickej perspektíve I. 1 [online]. Roč. 2014. Dostupné online.
 * TAKÁČ, P. Zrodenie hudby z ducha tragédie. Nezávislí [online]. . Dostupné online.
 * Keď sa stretnú muzikanti (recenzia na CD „Ľudová veselica s Milanom Perným 1.“). Music-zone.eu [online]. . Dostupné online.
 * SEDLÁK, Martin. Nádejný slovenský bubeník Lucas Perný a jeho album Psychedelic Winterland. Musicone.sk [online]. Roč. 6/2009. Dostupné online.
 * DANKO, Marek. Psychedelická jar paličkami Lucasa Perného. Musicone.sk/Rock+ [online]. Roč. 8/2011, 9/2011. Dostupné online.
 * Lucas Perny vydáva experimentálny album Psychedelic Springland zadarmo. Hudba.sk [online]. Roč. 11/2011. Dostupné online.
 * BUDAI, Andrej. Sólový bubeník Lucas Perny vydal nový singel Newborn (rozhovor). Leviceonline.sk [online]. 12/2011. . Dostupné online.
 * DANKO, Marek. Znovuzrodenie Lucasa Perného. Musicone.sk [online]. Roč. 1/2012. Dostupné online.
 * ŠEDIVÁ, Bibiana: POHODA_FM at Radio_FM, Slovak Radio - 4. Bratislava. 27. 12. 2011
 * BUDAI, Andrej. Projekt intuitívnej hudby Lucas Perny and Miloslav Kollár. Leviceonline.sk [online]. 6/2012. . Dostupné online.
 * DANKO, Marek. Pištec znovu klope na astrálnu bránu (recenzia na CD Astral gate). Hudba.sk [online]. 8/2012. . Dostupné online.
 * LUZAK, J., BURICVÁ, R. (moderátori): Rozhovor a koncert : Lucas Perny a Miloslav Kollár (16.7.2012) v Rádiu Bunker at http://www.godot.sk/pages/perny_kollar
 * TURČAN, M., TKÁČIKOVÁ, Z. (moderátori), GRANKO, T., TKÁČIKOVÁ, Z. (dramaturgia): 21# Tvorba v priamom prenose s Ondrejom Štefánikom, Lucasom Pernym a Miloslavom Kollárom, Tomášom Klepochom at Rádio Devín - Slovenský rozhlas 3. Bratislava. 2013 at http://213.215.116.181:8001/devin/2013-09-20/971-Vecer_na_temu-19-00.mp3
 * TURČAN, M. (dramaturg), TKÁČIKOVÁ, Z. (moderátor, dramaturg): 31# Záhrada: Novodobí spasitelia at Rádio Devín - Slovenský rozhlas 3. Bratislava. 2014 at http://web.archive.org/web/20140314031004/http://213.215.116.181:8001/devin/2014-03-03/-Zahrada-22-00.mp3 a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCBRdUGAorE
 * DANKO, Marek. The Rondel: Najlepší album, pod aký sa Lucas Perny podpísal. Hudba.sk [online]. 21.7.2013. Dostupné online.
 * BUDAI, Buday. Lucas Perny predstavuje The Rondel + video. Nitraonline.sk [online]. 6/2013. . Dostupné online.
 * GONŠOR, J.: Recenzia: Lucas Perny - The Rondel. at Nový Populár - dvojmesačník o domácej scéne a hudobných nástrojoch. 60 s. Bratislava: Chrobák. Roč. IV. č. 4. 60 str. ISSN 1337-8015 s.8. Dostupné online.
 * Lucas Perný - The Rondel. Mikrorecenze.cz [online]. . Dostupné online.
 * HAVLÍČEK, J. Lucas Perny - The Rondel. Rockmag.cz [online]. . Dostupné online.
 * SVORENCIKOVA, Veronika: Lucas Perny - The Rondel - D2_FM at Radio_FM, Slovak Radio - 4. Bratislava. 25. 8. 2013.
 * Label Radia Bunker. http://freemusicarchive.org/label/Radio_Bunker/
 * Experimentálne duo Lucas Perný a Miloslav Kollár pripravuje nový album. Hudba.sk [online]. 08/2014. . Dostupné online.
 * Experimentátori Perný & Kollár zatracujú vojnu a miešajú drum&bass s Indiou. Hudba.sk [online]. 10/2014. . Dostupné online.
 * Pokuta 30€ za bubon a píšťalu na Kontraplese. Music-zone.eu [online]. 15.1.2013. Dostupné online.
 * KOLÁRIK, Erik: Mafián, štetka, gorila - účastníci Plesu v opeře si vypočuli všeličo at Plus 7 Dní 17.1.2013 (report z Kontraplesu aj o hudobníkoch Perný & Kollár). Dostupné online.
 * MUZIKA, M. Bubenícka šou na Kamennom námestí at Music-zone.eu 14.9.2013. Dostupné online. Leto s námestím - otvárame sezónu na Kamennom námestí
 * Perný & Kollár krstil džemom. Music-zone.eu [online]. 11.10.2012. Dostupné online.
 * Perný & Kollár hráli v trnavskej synagóge pre Raviho Shankara. Music-zone.eu [online]. Roč. 12/2012. Dostupné online.
 * VIDANOVÁ Lucia: Projekt Sokolovňa LIVE odštartoval Hex a Perny & Kollar (report) at Ludia pre Malacky 12/2012
 * Drum’n'drone koncert Lucas Perny & Miloslav Kollár v UTA-UKF. Ilustrace Pavol Horváth, Bc. Občas Nečas [online]. Roč. 10/2012. Dostupné online.
 * BÚGEL, Rastislav: Koncert alternatívnej hudby: Ukončenie univerzitných dní nie je len majáles at Nitra24, 9.5.2013. Dostupné online.
 * KOLEKTÍV AUTOROV: Duo Perny & Kollar v UTA at SME, Petit Press, 6.5.2013, http://nitra.sme.sk/c/6784621/duo-kollar-perny-v-uta.html
 * Peter Turay a Lucas Perny vydávajú experimentálny singel Afternoon Connection. Hudba.sk [online]. 3.7.2013. Dostupné online.
 * Krumplipapricash sa vydali vesmírnou loďou k prstencom Jupitera. Music-zone.eu [online]. 27.9.2013. Dostupné online.
 * BÁKOŠOVÁ, Mária : "Interview so skupinou Dilusion", Blog SME, Marec 2009
 * GERČÁK, František : Rozhovor s Lukášom Perným", Denník SME, Apríl 2008
 * VIDANOVÁ Lucia : Report : Projekt Sokolovňa LIVE odštartoval Hex a Perny & Kollar at Ludia pre Malacky 12/2012

Organising of actions

 * speaker and moderator in radio TLIS
 * co-organisator Faunova čajovna Pezinok
 * co-organistaor Earth Day 2014 Mojmirovce
 * organisator Psychedelic jam session in Sala
 * organisator of vernisages in Cajovna na Konci Vesmiru, Sala, Univerzitny tvorivy atelier FF UKF Nitra
 * organisator of travelling lecture about Turkey by stop, Cultural centre in Nitra
 * organisator of concerts

Lectures

 * Martin, Tree of Laco Novomeský with J. Sivičekova, 2015
 * Constantine The Philosopher University, Music counterculture of 60s & 70S, Culturologos, 2014
 * Nové Slovo, Music counterculture of 60s & 70S, Book event, 2013
 * Culture centrum, Mlynska dolina

Actor/movie
HLINČÍKOVÁ, K. (scenár a réžia); WEISSLECHNER, S. (kamera). HLAVÁČ, M. (mix zvuku), KAROVIĆ R. (strih). PERNY, K., LUK, L. (hrajú). Lukáš Luk: Záhada Považského bula. SME: Petit Press. 2014. Dostupné online: http://www.sme.sk/vp/30633/

Avantgarde visual art inteverventions
Money is not capital with Martin Kochan, Divadelná Nitra, 2014

Political acitivism
--Karelgott60 (talk) 16:36, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * speaker at protests against NATO

Closing
When will be discussion closed? Here are too much references.--Karelgott60 (talk) 22:56, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * AFDs are closed after seven days. Although the list of references you posted above is delightfully obnoxious, your strongest argument would be to show that he has received significant coverage from reliable sources that are independent of the subject. That means significant coverage about him, not from him. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:01, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Lucas_Perny#List_of_references: --Karelgott60 (talk) 23:16, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * there are too references from Slovak radio, Radio_FM, music pages, TASR, reviews, etc. --Karelgott60 (talk) 23:17, 17 October 2015 (UTC)


 * and about political acitivities

positive and some negative references, but references -
 * citations of speaking http://www.srspol.sk/clanek-hviezdoslavovo-namestie-24-9-kolaboranti-a-okupanti-nebudu-nasimi-priatelmi-11489.html
 * too at czech pages http://www.halonoviny.cz/articles/view/40861430
 * haters website Dailymale: http://www.dailymale.sk/articles/mnohosrd-2015-september_3393 with 11763 views
 * haters website fici.sme: http://fici.sme.sk/c/20057601/mlady-hejter-na-internete-sa-objavil-dalsi-kinder-revolucionar-ktory-kazdemu-lezie-na-nervy.html and http://fici.sme.sk/c/20052599/index.php/c/20058077/utrpenie-mladeho-hejtera.html
 * blog Dennik N https://dennikn.sk/blog/generacia-y/
 * in video report of .tyzden http://www.tyzden.sk/video/26665/rostas-carnogursky-nackovia-marxisti/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karelgott60 (talk • contribs) 23:26, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Music radio shows, videoclips and others

 * http://www.hobotrashcan.com/2015/10/07/hobo-radio-interview-keith-david/
 * http://www.whitemarketpodcast.co.uk/category/features/interviews/
 * http://risk-show.com/podcast/live-from-san-fran-2015/
 * https://wfmu.org/playlists/shows/58795
 * http://thundergrunt.com/
 * http://strangenotes.com/video/1691
 * http://www.hobotrashcan.com/2015/02/23/hobo-radio-interview-chris-parnell/
 * Liz Berg top of 2013 http://freemusicarchive.org/member/lizb/Top_Picks_of_2013_-_extended_mix?page=1&per_page=100
 * soundtrack at video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucA6uMPxgFk
 * soundtrack at video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEQed-gJcN0
 * soundtrack at video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpG0tXeevVY&feature=youtu.be&t=1m13s
 * Temná i radostná Kupecká osada Krumbenowe 2015, Kamera a střih: Radim Vaňous (Videodorant), music: Lukáš Perný a Miloslav Kollár - Theatrum Mundi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45JgnuXo07c
 * soundtrack at video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW4QfKouLRk&feature=youtu.be&t=41s
 * Magazine Clocher http://www.klocher.sk/novy-song-hey-hejter-skus-sa-krotit/
 * Discogs.com http://www.discogs.com/artist/2478724-Lucas-Perny


 * from book celebration - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBOwwRIwaXU

--Karelgott60 (talk) 23:48, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * list of slovak avantgarde records http://kraa.sk/records-2014/
 * at alternative blog hačky a udice http://afinabul.blog.cz/1507/miloslav-kollar-lucas-perny-theatrum-mundi


 * I've collapsed the above - I'm more than happy for anyone to comment but there comment's longer than the article itself!, I would ask Karelgott60 that they keep there comments short & too the point. – Davey 2010 Talk 00:01, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Other references was added to atricle--178.41.148.81 (talk) 21:49, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - As per nom, Swister and Davey. Searches turned up nothing to show they meet the notability criteria.  Onel 5969  TT me 16:51, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails WP:GNG, WP:BASIC. Are there sources? Yes - plenty of references (or claims thereof) that would fall under the definition as a "source". Are they reliable? Secondary? Independent? Verifiable? No. Do they significantly cover this person to the point that no original research is needed in order to cover the article in its entirety? I also believe that the answer to this is No. Therefore, this article fails WP:GNG and WP:BASIC, making WP:NMUSIC irrelevant since notability claims require verifiable evidence - the existence of reliable sources don't seem to support that.  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   20:10, 23 October 2015 (UTC)


 * AFDs are closed after seven days. Although the list of references you posted above is delightfully obnoxious, your strongest argument would be to show that he has received significant coverage from reliable sources that are independent of the subject. That means significant coverage about him, not from him. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:01, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

ADF was added in 16th october - NOW IS 23th October!!! and ADF IS STILL HERE Vodnafajka (talk) 20:01, 23 October 2015 (UTC) — Vodnafajka (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

References:
 * MALECHA, M. RECENZE: Lukáš Perný: Kontrakultúra v kulturologickej perspektíve I. [7]. Roč. 2014. Dostupné online.
 * HAVLÍČEK, J. Lucas Perny - The Rondel. Rockmag.cz
 * DANKO, M.: "Lucas Perny vydáva experimentálny album Psychedelic Springland zadarmo", hudba.sk (in Slovak), July 17, 2011, retrieved August 25, 2013
 * DANKO, M.:"The Rondel: Najlepší album, pod aký sa Lucas Perny podpísal" (review), hudba.sk (in Slovak), July 21, 2013, retrieved August 25, 2013
 * BEKMATOV, Artur. Aj nekomerčná hudba sa má posúvať k masovým poslucháčom. Tlačová agentúra Slovenskej republiky. Bratislava: TASR online. 15. 9. 2013.
 * at University page https://uniba.sk/detail-aktuality/back_to_page/univerzita-komenskeho/article/110-vyrocie-narodenia-ladislava-novomeskeho/calendar_date/2015/march/
 * DANKO, M.:"Pištec znovu klope na astrálnu bránu" (review in Slovak) at Hudba.sk, August 2012, retrieved August 25, 2013 [3]
 * GONŠOR, J.: Recenzia: Lucas Perny - The Rondel. at Nový Populár - dvojmesačník o domácej scéne a hudobných nástrojoch. 60 s. Bratislava: Chrobák. Roč. IV. č. 4. 60 str. ISSN 1337-8015 s.8.
 * Vodnafajka (talk) 20:31, 23 October 2015 (UTC) — Vodnafajka (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Please relax. There's no deadline. While references are nice, it's presently difficult to determine which, if any of these, represent significant coverage about the subject There are no web links here, for instance, and none of the single-purpose pro Perny folks have made any effort to explain the references, only to dump them here and yell "HURRY!" Not helpful. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:40, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Relisting comment: WikiProject Slovakia and Reference desk/Language Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:14, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:14, 24 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete agree with above consensus that this article is sourced to self-promotional and non-reliable sources. Dwesa's arguments are spot on, Perny's work or person is not the subject of any major independent publication. μηδείς (talk) 17:02, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * delete - self promoting, non-notable piece of puffery. DangerDogWest (talk) 18:18, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Struck content from confirmed sock above, per WP:SOCKSTRIKE. North America1000 03:33, 31 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep and improve, definitely (I already started improving it). Cyphoidbomb asked me to take a look at the refs provided and drop a line here. My knowledge of Slovak is mostly passive, but I understand it pretty well, especially in writing. Anyway, the first two refs (Černáková and Bekmatov) are definitely legitimate and there's plenty of information there. The first was published in one of the largest broadsheet newspapers in the country, the latter in a web portal managed by Slovakia's official news agency (TASR), so I would definitely treat them as legitimate sources. Both texts describe the artist in extenso, not just in passing. The style of the article as it is though should definitely be improved. More about the guy, for currently most of the article is on the releases he authored.
 * I will take a look at the remaining refs and see what are they, just give me some time.  // Halibutt 21:37, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Supremely grateful for your input and your work at the article, . I know it's a hassle, but it's appreciated. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:40, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * No problem, also let me ping .  // Halibutt 22:18, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, I read some of the material used as references in the article (and corrected the article on the go). My overall impression is that the guy is definitely notable per WP:BASIC: there is a piece on him personally in one of the most popular dailies of Slovakia (ref no. 1), a portal published by Slovakia's Academy of Science interviewed him (ref no. 2). Per WP:BASIC and WP:MUSICBIO those are all notable, verifiable, independent of each other and the subject, reliable sources to me. Apparently he is noticeable and somehow popular in Slovakia, though of course it's not the Michael Jackson type of popularity. Still, apparently his records are noticeable by both the media, the genre aficionados (refs. 4 and 6) and musical portals (refs 10-12) eventhough most (all?) his records were either self-published or released under free licenses.
 * He also has at least two scientific papers published by reliable, scholarly publishers, though I would treat him primarly as a musician and not a scientist. Publishing your thesis is certainly a reward by your alma mater, but this alone doesn't make you notable. Take note that I didn't read all of the refs and didn't have the time to delve into checking his "journalist" credentials. Perhaps there's more decent sources writing on him out there, I'm not sure. But I believe there's no ground for deleting the article, other than the facts that most refs are not in English and that the original version was apparently written by someone who loved the subject a little too much :) It's salvageable though.  // Halibutt 23:42, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * That piece in one of the most popular dailies is only in regional mutatation as I mentioned earlier. Article in ref no. 2 is written by Lucas Perny's collegue Bekmatov from other journal - Zem a Vek, so it can hardly be considered independent of the subject. Strangely enough, that article in SME is also written by a person associated with a journal Zem a Vek where Perny writes (http://www.zemavek.sk/articles/view/rostas-ludia-su-vzdy-udrziavani-nejakou-formou-strachu), could it be considered independent of the subject? Also Školský servis TASR in ref no. 2 is written merely by students and pedagogues, not sure where "a portal published by Slovakia's Academy of Science interviewed him" came from, but that might be due to recent changes in an article any my confusion might stem out of it. Dwesa (talk) 08:57, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I reviewed all the sources in my post. Check below 147.175.177.152 (talk) 11:04, 25 October 2015 (UTC) — 147.175.177.152 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * , I'm not arguing that there is absolutely no connection between the person who interviewed him and the subject, I have no idea about that. I'm merely pointing to the fact that the interview was published on a portal published by the TASR, which is definitely independent of the subject (hence fulfils the requirements of WP:INDY). There's no disclaimer there that "anyone can publish whatever they want here", so I would assume there is some review in place. Sure, it's not a scientific journal, but I would consider such source definitely more trustworthy than your random www page. Same for SME: the link we have points to a regional edition, but I have no idea what's their policy on publishing such news online. For instance in Poland if a newspaper article is published in the national edition, some newspapers later file such articles under their regional portals, other file them as main edition, yet others file them twice (Gazeta Wyborcza, for instance), it's pretty much random. What we do know though is that the piece is entirely about the subject and that it was published by one of the largest newspapers in the country. Readership of this or that article is of no relevance to the topic at hand here I believe.  // Halibutt 13:38, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, as to Skolsky Servis being a project of TASR, it's specifically mentioned there that Školskýservis.sk is the effect of cooperation of TASR with the Slovakian Ministry of Education. Hence the big "TASR" logo in the top-left of every page I guess :) Also, I removed reference to Zem a vek altogether, as you yourself noted above, Perny had only one article published there, that hardly makes him a regular (but that also hardly makes him "dependent" on the guy who interviewed him for a completely different medium).  // Halibutt 14:08, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't see relevance in mentioning that TASR is a co-operative project of those institutions. As the Karelgott60 wrote eariler, Perny wrote more than one article, in that list of references are 5 articles authored by him and he provided several links that prove his articles are in a content of journal. So out of 2 non-trivial sources, 1 is a regional newspaper and second one is written by students and 2 out of 2 seem to be affiliated with his current job... and that is a basis for notability of the subject. Dwesa (talk) 14:29, 25 October 2015 (UTC)


 * delete self-promotion, notability issues. I checked the sources and I must say, I am not impressed. Social media links, reviews of album in online magazines, his bachelor thesis (?), his articles in small magazines. I wish him luck, but I really think that right now he is not notable enough. Musicians and journalists can easily gather lots of online references beacuse of the very public nature of their work. On Wikipedia we should be wary about what is really notable in the age of Internet. 147.175.177.152 (talk) 10:00, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, I decided to check the sources closer: [3] is not even a source, just a fact. [7][9][15][23] are authored by subject. [18][19] are social media pages for downloading his album. [5][8] are pages listing his articles. [12][20] links do not work. [14] is video on YouTube of him talking on alternative politics channel with 500 subscribers. I have find no indication of notability for this channel. [13] is article about conference where he is listed as one of the organizers. I don't really think that any of these sources is relevant. The rest of sources are reviews of his albums on different portals. I am not so sure if this is enough to became notable musician, most of the reviews are rather short (1 paragraph), indicating that the album wasn't deem really notable. Bunch of the reviews have the same author M. Danko. In addition, these portals are themselves probably not really notable. Only exception is [1] review in sme.sk, but the review is published only in regional mutation with really small number of readers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.175.177.152 (talk • contribs)
 * Just a small note that the numbers above refer to refs the way they were before my recent changes in the article. Plus there's no rule excluding using publications by the subject as references in the article. Per WP:ABOUTSELF as long as they are used for instance as a proof that the subject did publish something, it's all ok. And in this case all the biographical details come from elsewhere.  // Halibutt 14:21, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I am not saying using the subject as reference is bad, I am just saying it doesn't really make the sources back up notability of subject. I have listed sources I don't find relevant or helpful to this article or the cause of notability. Dwesa have pointed out that some articles from the reviews are written by colleagues of subject. Even M.Danko (author of [10][11][16]) is listed as editor in his blog: [//lucasperny.blog.pravda.sk/2015/08/16/magma-a-duchom-vesmiru-inspirovany-christian-vander-zavitaju-do-prahy/] So this is yet another source that is closely linked to subject. If we take the sources one by one, there is nothing wrong with them, but as a collection they are pretty flawed. Can you point out which sources do you consider to prove his notability? 147.175.177.152 (talk) 15:30, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I already did above. Also, being an editor doesn't really make you dependent of the subject, I edited plenty of texts without actually being linked to the subject in any way. Hell, I even edited an article on 19th century Madagascar without being interested in the history of Africa, let alone ever setting foot there.
 * All in all, sure, the article needs plenty of love from someone who doesn't love Perny so much as the author of the original article. But he is notable IMHO (and apparently some Slovak media think the same). We won't make a scientist out of him, he's not one of the most popular journalists in Slovakia, but as a musician he is noticeable by the Slovak media - and that's what really counts. But we would really need some Slovak Wikipedian in good standing to join us and throw in his 5 hal.  // Halibutt 06:16, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * M.Danko is apparently editor of his personal blog, I think it may point out that they are somehow connected. I have also found discussion where Perny claims they are friends, but I guess the discussion isn't really suitable source.
 * As Dwesa pointed out one of the sources is student's magazine, even if it is somehow supported by TASR. And I don't really buy claim of notability based on review of album in regional mutation of newspaper written by his work colleague. Anyhow as a Wikipedian I am not as experienced as you, so I might be wrong. 147.175.177.152 (talk) 09:49, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not a students magazine. Their own "about us" says it's a news service organised by TASR and Ministry of Education, with news by TASR and others targeted at schools of all levels. It's nowhere near a "student's magazine" as in: a samizdat prepared by students for their colleagues. There's plenty of similar services of this type elsewhere in the world, in Poland we have the excellent Science in Poland portal, also organised by our ministry of education and the Polish Press Agency. It's not a "students mag" either. Also, calling someone who published exactly one article in a magazine a "work colleague" of the editor is an overstatement, isn't it.  // Halibutt 16:48, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * You are right about the work colleague thing, the article on zemavek.sk, where Perny is working, was originally published on nitra.sme.sk (where the author of the source is working), but was later taken down.
 * The SkolskyServis is also saying in its "about us" page this: "Servis tvoria správy z TASR, ale hlavne multimediálne informácie prispievateľov z radov žiakov, študentov, pedagógov. Podeľte sa o dianie na vašej škole s verejnosťou prostredníctvom rešpektovanej novinárskej značky TASR.", translated: Our service constitutes from news from TASR, but **mainly** multimedia content from our contributors - pupils, students, pedagogues. Share with us what is going on in your school viac respected journalist brand TASR. Sure it is not student's samizdat, byt it is basically created for students to help them try what it is to be a journalists. 147.175.177.152 (talk) 17:06, 26 October 2015 (UTC)


 * weak keep The article started as an self-promotion with only couple of sources but another reliable sources was added. Most (all?) of his albums was self-published but they received coverage in the topic's, region's and some greater medias (most notably in SME, Školský servis and webzine hudba.zoznam.sk). He is not a Superstar (here in Slovakia with his music genre, kind of scientific work and political opinions he can't be...) but the references convicted me to weak support. --KuboF (talk) 17:00, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

He is also pacifist activist of peace movement (against NATO aggression) and he was too on convoy blockade in september 2015. http://www.halonoviny.cz/articles/view/40861430 http://www.srspol.sk/clanek-hviezdoslavovo-namestie-24-9-kolaboranti-a-okupanti-nebudu-nasimi-priatelmi-11489.html http://www.srspol.sk/clanek-hviezdoslavovo-namestie-24-9-kolaboranti-a-okupanti-nebudu-nasimi-priatelmi-11489.html --84.47.31.117 (talk) 22:02, 30 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I think AfD's normally stand for a month? But I think the post immediately above by IP 84 (He is also pacifist activist of peace movement (against NATO aggression) and he was too on convoy blockade in september 2015) explains exactly why this should be closed as a delete as a POV self promo. μηδείς (talk) 22:17, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Typically only 7, unless relisting is warranted, which, for lack of wider community input, it was. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 01:52, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, CB. I am still in favor of deletion per nom.  Having worked for publications at US universities and even NYC bars with much higher circulation, I know how easy self-promotion is, and I see no evidence of anything but that here. μηδείς (talk) 04:32, 31 October 2015 (UTC)


 * compromise - compress an article... short article is something good for compromise --95.102.221.56 (talk) 09:06, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I am from Slovakia, and i know this name. He is very specific and controversial person between young people, but he is really popular (too in negative spectrum). I agree with words of KuboF "He is not a Superstar (here in Slovakia with his music genre, kind of scientific work and political opinions he can't be...)" 95.102.221.56 (talk) 13:30, 31 October 2015 (UTC) — 95.102.221.56 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * If the subject is not notable, then a small article isn't warranted any more than a large one would be. If the subject is notable, then a normal size article is warranted. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:09, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
 * He IS notable, but he can´t be "superstar" with combination of his music and political views. But he is very popular controversial person between young people... --95.102.221.56 (talk) 23:59, 31 October 2015 (UTC)


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