Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lucca Cafe and Lounge


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to LGBT culture in Shanghai. The article's subject is found to not be notable. &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 16:26, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Lucca Cafe and Lounge

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fails WP:CORP. run of the mill gay bar LibStar (talk) 10:39, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:15, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:15, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. (Keep in mind, this is in China, where "gay" isn't "run of the mill"). Sources:
 * http://www.smartshanghai.com/venue/12015/lucca
 * http://www.timeoutshanghai.com/venue/Bars__Clubs-Bars__Clubs/25836/Lucca.html
 * http://www.timeoutshanghai.com/features/Blog-Clubbing__Nightlife/25827/390-reopens-as-Lucca-.html
 * http://www.cityweekend.com.cn/shanghai/directory/lucca-café-lounge
 * The article can also be expanded to include information about the bar's former incarnation, 390:
 * http://www.smartshanghai.com/venue/7657/390_panyu_lu
 * http://www.smartshanghai.com/wire/nightlife/closed-390-shanghai-studio
 * http://www.cityweekend.com.cn/shanghai/directory/390-bar-closed
 * http://www.fodors.com/world/asia/china/shanghai/things-to-do/nightlife/reviews/390-bar-588540
 * https://books.google.com/books?id=Uz-wBAAAQBAJ&pg=PT432&lpg=PT432&dq#v=onepage&q&f=false
 * https://books.google.com/books?id=dcMECgAAQBAJ&pg=PA172&lpg=PA172&dq#v=onepage&q&f=false
 * Also, keep in mind, the above are all English-language references. Surely there are more in Chinese. There are actually very few LGBT establishments in China, even in Shanghai, which has a population of 20+ million. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:19, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * these are primarily travel guide listings. And a lot of them would have got their information straight from the Cafe itself. LibStar (talk) 03:46, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. North America1000 10:34, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk  16:14, 6 January 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete - While understanding Another Believer's point, there simply isn't enough in-depth coverage in independent reliable sources to show notability. Granted "there may be" in Chinese sources, but that's not a valid argument. My searches did not turn up anything to show it passes WP:GNG.  Onel 5969  TT me 12:54, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk  16:28, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete – searches for Chinese sources do not turn up anything reliable. sst  ✈  16:36, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment/Request: I've expanded the article a bit using a couple of the sources mentioned above. I find it hard to believe there are not Chinese sources covering the venue, but I can't argue otherwise so I will assume good faith. IF this article is deemed inappropriate for inclusion at English Wikipedia, may I suggest redirecting and/or merging the content to LGBT culture in Shanghai? Again, I would prefer a standalone article, but if consensus dictates otherwise, I think redirecting is better than deleting. Thanks. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:11, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I would not mind redirecting. I cannot find any Chinese name for this company. Most Chinese language results are blogs, aggregator websites and self-published sources. I searched using several Chinese search engines and selecting Chinese results with Google. sst  ✈  04:48, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as mentioned, perhaps not yet solidly better notable. SwisterTwister   talk  06:19, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete no evidence of meeting wp:gng, travel guides are not reliable sources 166.164.37.67 (talk) 15:00, 21 January 2016 (UTC)


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