Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lucifugum (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   speedy delete. G4. To recreate, one needs to go to DRV. Tone 17:19, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Lucifugum
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G4 Speedy declined as "page has existed for a year despite a previous AfD". This isn't strictly true; it has existed in an SPA's userspace since it was previously deleted. The article has been previously deleted through AfD (at least once) and many, many times through speedies (deletion log for Lucifugum here and Lucifugum (band) here]). No notability is asserted whatsoever, and the article utterly fails all aspects of WP:MUSIC. There is a solitary reliable source (the MusicMight one which I added), but there is no significant, independent, third-party coverage... the other references are to fanzines, and the transcripts of those are hosted on the band's own website. There are not multiple releases on notable indie labels (a solitary re-release on Drakkar is far from good enough); in fact, most of the substantial back catalogue is released through Propaganda, the band's own label. A common argument over the years from the small army of SPAs promoting the band is that there are multiple interwikis; anyone that goes and checks those articles will immediately notice that they have been exclusively written by people that suspiciously have the same usernames as the SPAs over on the English Wikipedia. The only other argument that has been brought forward is that "they are very well known in Eastern Europe"; without sourcing, that's meaningless. I've tried looking for sources, both in print and online but there appears to be nothing. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 10:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. The band obviously exists and the information in the article appears to be accurate but there is no evidence of notability. The Trollheim's Grott defence of articles existing in other languages isn't one that's likely to work. While I accept MusicMight as one valid source, it does aim to cover every band of this type, however insignificant, and at the end of the day, if no other reliable sources have seen fit to write about them, then we can't justify an article.--Michig (talk) 11:57, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I suppose this could be a second reliable source: metallian.com/lucifugum.php --Black pauk1488 (talk) 14:36, 25 August 2009 (UTC) — Black pauk1488 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * It doesn't look like a professional site, so I doubt that it would be considered a reliable source.--Michig (talk) 14:40, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Choose here (in different languages, because it’s a worldwide known band): (librariusmetallicus.com/Band/view/2019), (metal-archives.com/band.php?id=8442), (spirit-of-metal.com/groupe-groupe-Lucifugum_(UKR)-l-en.html), (discogs.com/artist/Lucifugum), (rockerek.hu/zenekarok/Lucifugum), (brainsmash.cz/interpreti/1509-lucifugum.html), (metalkingdom.net/band/1034_lucifugum), (wikimetal.info/wiki/Lucifugum) --Black pauk1488 (talk) 15:13, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment None of the above links is a professional website. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 15:30, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete - G4 does apply here, the last AfD closed as delete on May 9, 2009, or 4 months ago. Fabrictramp was good enough to userfy the article for Black pauk1488 following the deletion discussion.  There was no addition of reliable sources to the article before Black pauk moved the article back to the mainspace, at least not as can be seen with this diff, which is between the last edit that Fabrictramp made following userfication and the last edit that Black pauk made, which is before the first edit that Blackmetalbaz made, while nominating it for speedy deletion (with the exception of removing categories from a userfied page.--kelapstick (talk) 15:47, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per kelapstick. Recreation of article previously deleted by AFD. Still fails WP:BAND. Edison (talk) 16:14, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.