Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lucinda (Lucy) Ash


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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 01:54, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Lucinda (Lucy) Ash

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Painter, but with no awards or work in permanent collections of museums, or major critical works about her. The referencs are trivial notices.  DGG ( talk ) 10:04, 5 February 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 00:53, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete a non-notable painter.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:41, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete The references are all, as far as I can see, routine mentions or self-published or unreliable. I could not find one good independent source in the list provided. The article does not use named refs, which means that several refs are listed repeatedly in the reflist. The galleries listed are not very reputable or, more importantly, important.198.58.162.176 (talk) 09:59, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Retain I am strongly of the opinion that the new entry for Lucinda (Lucy) Ash, most certainly, should NOT be deleted; it should, indeed, be RETAINED. It is a fact that Ash has not received known art-Awards. She is very sadly lacking in official recognition, which she so rightly deserves. As for wall-space in permanent, public galleries: she has not DONATED her work as, I discover, is so often the route for an artist to obtain a permanent public hanging. To answer the adverse criticism that Ash does not have books written about her work: this fact is a sad reflection on the art-world, that she has produced (and sold) a significant and substantial assemblage yet, still, no book-form recognition of her achievement is published. The fact of Lucy Ash is that she has exhibited in very well-respected galleries right across London and her paintings hang in many private collections, internationally. Unlike the “rhetorical bullshit and sheer trash that pass for art”, to which Jonathan Jones has referred, Ash’s paintings are not dashed off in an hour but are well-considered and well-worked, as is clear from the inspection of any of her works. Lucy Ash is a painter of distinction and high integrity. The subjects of her paintings are deeply felt and tirelessly executed. The External link: “Images of Paintings by Lucy Ash”, at the end of her entry, gives a glimpse of the quality of her personal integrity and artistry. It is right that Wikipedia should record Ash’s excellence while we wait for Art-criticism to catch up.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cadwiki (talk • contribs) 11:16, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Although I am sure I would appreciate her work (certainly that which I have seen) and the topics she handles based on what she has written about her work, we at Wikipedia are not here for art criticism. We rely on secondary sources, and I saw *zero* that spoke about her or her talent.  Even if someone is on all the programs of all the best galleries makes no difference--we need an art critic or other secondary source to mention it.  If I saw even one secondary source talking about her work, I might consider voting otherwise, but I saw none.  Sorry.   can you point to even one secondary source? --David Tornheim (talk) 13:07, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 11:12, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 11:12, 16 February 2017 (UTC)


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