Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lucky Bisht (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was 'Trainwreck' which turns into a no-consensus article retention. While some of the keep !votes are not policy based, a sock nomination should probably have been thrown out sooner. This can be revisited if an established editor finds merit, and I'd suggest seming an AfD from the very beginning. Star  Mississippi  01:37, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Lucky Bisht
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non notable film maker. Doesn't meet WP:NFILMMAKER ClickWiki (talk) 11:17, 27 September 2022 (UTC) sock nomination MER-C 18:29, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Actors and filmmakers,  and India. ClickWiki (talk) 11:17, 27 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep: Lucky Bisht is a screenplay writer in Bollywood has also given security to Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Barack Obama and many other VIPs. He is a notable personality in India. The article has enough references which are independent and reliable.Ppp00007 (talk) 15:34, 27 September 2022 (UTC) sock vote Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 20:52, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

          
 * Keep: Lucky Bisht is a notable Indian personality and a book is being written on his life story by renowned crime writer, Hussain Zaidi. Eventually, the book will be made into a Bollywood movie. All articles has enough references which are independent and reliableIt has enough citations on trusted reliable, independent resources such as:

Jogenderrautela (talk) 15:52, 27 September 2022 (UTC) sock vote Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 20:52, 28 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep: Lucky Bisht is a notable personality in India, Best Sniper in an India, Only Lucky Bisht's name from India is mentioned in the List of snipers. Lucky bisht in the top ranking in Google's search engine, Facebook and Instagram have also verified lucky Bisht pages.The article has enough references which are independent and highly reliable, Telangana Today, The New Indian Express, India Today,Pioneer, Times Now, Business Standard, NDTV, Entrepreneur, Free Press Journal, News18, Flipboard, Dainik Jagran, National Herald, Zee News, Mid-Day, Amar Ujala, The Statesman, Outlook, DNA. All these newspapers have articles and they can be trusted. Powerfultample (talk) 16:05, 27 September 2022 (UTC) (sock strike. Liz Read! Talk! 04:33, 30 September 2022 (UTC))
 * But you didn't link to any of the articles you claim he's mentioned in, so these are not useful. You've only given a list of newspaper names. If you can show the actual articles, it would help. Oaktree b (talk) 01:06, 29 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep: Lucky Bisht is a notable personality in India. Notable person in Bollywood he starting a Screenplay writer his career. The top articles has enough references which are independent and reliable.Nabutiger123 (talk) 16:10, 27 September 2022 (UTC) sock vote Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 20:52, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Military and Uttarakhand.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:09, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Lucky Bisht has many socks it appears. Can we at least not copy the same comment from one to the next? Might be notable, I can't judge most of the sources as they are in a local language and the quality of them, I can't assess. Oaktree b (talk) 19:27, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * And the userpages for the above three comments are identical, "I love wikipedia", with no edits outside this article. Very strange. Oaktree b (talk) 19:28, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm compiling the SPI, I think I have a good idea who the master is. Curbon7 (talk) 20:32, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Apparantly this is not the first time this rodeo has occurred Sockpuppet investigations/Powerfultample. Curbon7 (talk) 21:25, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I've opened one here Oaktree b (talk) 02:50, 28 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep: meet passes WP:GNG I think this is a notable person, looking at his page, it seems that he is made according to the guideline of wikipedia on which there are many reliable sources which can be trusted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VIJAY CHAND THAKUR (talk • contribs) 12:56, 28 September 2022 (UTC)   sock vote Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 20:52, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Now that we've pulled the socks, I'm not seeing much that warrants keeping the article, interesting gentlemen for sure, non-notable for wiki however. Trivial mentions or non-RS. Oaktree b (talk) 01:03, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Times Now 
 * Keep: Lucky Bisht is not an actor; he was a former Indian spy and NSG commando. These unbiased, trustworthy sources are included below as proof that he has served his country very well.

Entrepreneur 

Free Press Journal 

Flipboard 

Indian Express 

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Santoshbeats (talk • contribs) 15:59, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 00:20, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: Lucky Bisht is an former Indian NSG Commando and Spy. He was Bodyguard of Narendra Modi, Rajnath Singh, Parkash Singh Badal, Chandra Babu Naidu, Tarun Gogoi and L. K. Advani. He joined Special forces at only age of 16 in 2003. This makes him notable and The famous Author Hussain Zaidi is writing a story on the Life of Bisht. He is also Producer in Bollywood. He passes WP:GNG and WP:NFILMMAKER both. He has been Featured and Mentioned in many Reliable Sources.  Bhumihaar   (talk)  09:41, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: I am not convinced that the subject meets WP:GNG; sources that include him are only passing mentions, and I can't see a reliable source that provides WP:SIGCOV. Curbon7 (talk) 21:36, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The high degree of sock/SPA activity in this AfD is astonishing. Curbon7 (talk) 21:37, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 *  Soft Keep- This discussion seems a bit messed up as there seems to be SPA activities happening over here. Due to SPA's I was tempted to vote a delete, but as I did a bit of digging and per sources his name is associated with Narendra Modi and he is among top global leaders so I did found Reliable Independent Indepth sources in English and Mostly in Hindi too that not only has authors but were written from NPOV. The fact that he has been part of NSG and has served Narendra Modi and later he gained significant media attention (per WP:SIGCOV) there are sources like this, this Pioneer Group piece  this NDTV article,  this, and  this, also found this  piece where it reads Hussain Zaidi is writing his bio pic.
 * Apart from that I also found this piece of article that does mention him as a commando, Socks might be the reason if this page gets deleted but the fact about his notability for being NSG commando and being associated with Narendra Modi and later getting into entertainment Industry can't be denied so its a Soft Keep for me.
 * I cleaned up the article a bit and removed few unreliable sources. Suryabeej      ⋠talk⋡    14:49, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Being associated with someone famous doesn't make a person notable. Otherwise, we'd have an article on every celebrity's bodyguard, dogwalker and dry cleaner. Liz Read! Talk! 07:55, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Well That does makes sense, But I don't think all the bodyguards, dogwalkers and dry cleaners tend to get a Book Written on em alongside the Biopic being announced by a Notable Author like Hussain Zaidi, as these sources reflects. see this &  this.  Suryabeej      ⋠talk⋡    09:22, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: I think some might criticize this relisting but right now, I'm seeing "No consensus" and I think an extra week might result in a more conclusive closure. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:02, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep- He qualify (per WP:SIGCOV) WP:GNG. He has received a notable award as India's Best National Security Guard (NSG) Commando in 2009 and also associated with Prime Minister Narendra Modi etc seeBiopic being written about him by prolific writer Hussain Zaidi  see The subject has also been written in Hindi languages from an independent and reliable sources. SeeA film/ Movie is currently been scripted about his life/ journey seeNPOV source on Film seeBernice2019 (talk) 17:57, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete Generally commandos in secret units don't blare their accomplishments out and try to cash in Clancy-style because the point is to remain secret. WP:RESUME if there ever was a perfect example of the worst type of this article.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 01:52, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment- Commando units are not secret, they are a part of the military of any country, where those people are selected, live physical and mental power is good, for example this is a commando unit National Security Guard, Para (Special Forces), Commando Battalion for Resolute Action, MARCOS, it is not a secret, secret units are available in any The country has intelligent wings, for example it is Intelligence Bureau (India). I think keep for me there are available reliable Sourcess that satisfies wp:basic and wp:sigcov 02:39, 12 October 2022 (UTC)~
 * Hitfit9999 (talk) 02:39, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment- An article is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone. when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. WP:SIGCOV. There are available existing sources that proves he qualifies. It a keep for me. I have done some copyediting on the article and removed PR or advertising contents and also removed some sources that are irrelevants aswell.Bernice2019 (talk) 21:06, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep- His positions as a National Security Guard and a Research and Analysis Wing Agent where he was termed as Agent Lima where he has been part of several secret missions and his imprisonment where he was later given clean chit by the court see this and as per above presented refs by Bernice2019 and this 4 days old reference  his association with Prime Minister Narendra Modi and  Hussain Zaidi writing his Biopic these things are well sufficient to pass WP:Notability. Spider1217 (talk) 07:02, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep- This is one of the controversial AFD discussions I’ve ever encountered, from my experience in AFD I think this article is worth encyclopedic not because of the present of the references provided, but seemingly it passes WP:NEXIST, I always use to support this kind of articles, I always suggest that this kind of article shouldn’t be left deleted because one way or the other it will be created in the near future, moreover, we have to consider the large number of references used in the article to support every single information provided, though someone said it is a pass mentioning, but as I see that the person is a public figure in India. <b style="color:#00BFFF">An@ss_koko</b><sup style="color:#7F007F">(speak up)  08:11, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Bisht passes the WP:GNG as he received the award and he has significant coverage in media. Sources cited belong to NDTV India, Outlook, New Indian Express, Free Press Journal which are reliable, secondary and independent, fulfilling the WP:RS criteria.—Sankoswal (talk) 11:39, 19 October 2022 (UTC)


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