Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ludwig Hofmaier


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Juliette Han (talk) 12:45, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Ludwig Hofmaier

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WP:NOTABILITY. Hofmaier has little to no notability outside of his native Germany. He accomplished several feats in the 1960s, which while impressive, are an example of WP:1E, as he has been a completely non-notable antiques dealer since the early 1970s; while his feats have made him a minor celebrity in Germany, I cannot find any signs of him being notable at any point, rather it be the 1960s or the 2020s, outside of there; every last citation on the page is in German. I suggest we delete his English Wikipedia page and keep his Deutsch one, since that is the only language/area of the world he has any claim to notability in. HawthOffHead (talk) 00:40, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * HawthOffHead, "we" don't get to decide on keeping his German wiki article. As for notability, if he's notable in Germany by our standards, he's notable on the English wiki. Drmies (talk) 00:43, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Drmies, fair enough. My point still stands that he is a D-List celebrity who is only notable for WP:1E and who fails to pass Wikipedia's notability guidelines; since his only """notable""" role as an actor was in a short film without a page of its own by a director without a page of his own, and the extent of his business career is limited to running three non-notable pubs and being an antiques dealer, I judge his notability off of WP:ATHLETE, which he fails to pass. HawthOffHead (talk) 00:48, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 01:31, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 01:32, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 01:33, 20 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment - his notability at de:Wiki is based mostly on his current celebrity as a television personality, which the translation doesn't reflect (presumably because the names of German TV shows don't count for much in the Anglophone world).Ingratis (talk) 01:58, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Additionally, many of his appearances as a television personality seem to be brief appearances as a guest in one or two episodes. He appears to be a regular guest on one show only, an antiques-themed show presumably tying into his main current job as an antique shop owner. He's about as notable as Alex Debogorski from Ice Road Truckers or James Lurie from Life After People: his show is popular, at least in his native country, but as an individual person, I would not consider him notable enough to have his own page. HawthOffHead (talk) 2:50, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I've added him to, which already contained 107 other articles. As long as the sourcing is up to standard I see no problem here. Ingratis (talk) 14:24, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - WP:1E has been invoked, but his hand-walking feats were clearly not a single event as multiple such feats are mentioned in the article. I really dislike the invoking of WP:1E to cover things that clearly weren't a single event. To state "He accomplished several feats in the 1960s, which while impressive, are an example of WP:1E" is pure contradiction in terms, it cannot have been a single event if it happened several times! Moreover, any reference in any language, so long as it is a reliable reference, can be used to substantiate notability - it does not matter at all that the references are in German! Being notable in Germany is being notable within the meaning of WP:N!
 * I invite the nominator to consider that every article, so long as it was one written in good faith, should be treated with a certain minimal degree of respect as the work of someone trying to contribute to the project. This means at the very least properly familiarising themselves with what is and isn't a WP:DELREASON, what WP:1E does and does not cover, what is and is not a reliable source, how to perform WP:BEFORE, and what will and will not pass WP:ANYBIO. I am not confident that they have done this based on this nomination. FOARP (talk) 13:45, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete a non-notable businessman.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:47, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   16:03, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. I am deeply opposed to any argument that states since the sources are only in one language, it cannot be notable in another language. That is ethnocentrism at its worst. Ifnord (talk) 21:00, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. The sourcing of the English article is poor; but the German equivalent includes several excellent and lengthy WP:RS sources specifically about him, including the major news publications Der Spiegel (2016) and Süddeutsche Zeitung (2018).
 * I've had two articles entirely based, and one almost entirely based, on non-English sources featured in WP:DYK; that last one got 12,000 views. The idea that English sources are required to support an article flies in the face of WP:NONENG. Narky Blert (talk) 09:01, 30 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. The argument that a subject's notability is mostly limited to a single country is awful enough, but the statement that achieving "several feats" makes the article a BLP1E is utterly incoherent. Hopelessly unreasonable. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006.  Fight for freedom, stand with Hong Kong! (talk) 20:33, 4 June 2020 (UTC)


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