Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ludwig van Beethoven's religious views (3rd nomination)


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The result was   merge to Ludwig van Beethoven. &mdash; Joseph Fox 01:17, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Ludwig van Beethoven's religious views

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Completely unnecessary article! This should be contained within Beethoven's own article. It is in no way deserving of its own page. Why are his religious views particularly significant in any way? They have very little bearing upon his music. If there's a religion page for him, there may as well be one for every great composer. Aerovistae (talk) 08:29, 26 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep for the same reasons as raised in Articles for deletion/Ludwig van Beethoven's religious beliefs. Note that this article was split from Beethoven's main article in October 2004, and that we have Category:Religious views by individual. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 09:15, 26 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Merge into the main article as it doesn't make sense to treat this separately. Warden (talk) 18:01, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 18:46, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 18:46, 26 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete It is a notable topic, and important for his notability since he composed music still performed in church services. However there is so little to say on the topic, and it needs to be said in his biography, that it doesn't need its own article.  The Death of Beethoven might have some possibilities as a stand alone article. Ha ha, I didn't think WP would have it. The info on his last rite and last words belongs there. Kitfoxxe (talk) 19:16, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Also that article has more information, some of which contradicts what is said in this one or at least adds to it. Kitfoxxe (talk) 19:32, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * pps I don't think discussion of religious belief or lack of it would be out of place in the biography of any important artist, the two (religion and art) being so often related.  But for the reasons I mentioned here it wouldn't need its own article, unless it had become notable through prolonged controversy.Kitfoxxe (talk) 19:38, 26 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Merge into Ludwig van Beethoven. There is simply not enough useful content here to justify a separate article. The "Compositions" section just notes that Beethoven composed music with religious themes before noting that this doesn't imply anything about his religious beliefs and should probably go. Most of the rest of the article notes things about his life that are either unsourced or highly disputed. If someone does add a lot of material on his religious views to his biography then it could be split out into a separate article but until then it's not necessary. Hut 8.5 21:24, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep There is certainly enough potential content,as it's discussed in every biography of this exceptionally famous person. and that the article has not yet been developed fully is irrelevant;  Wikipedia is  a work in progress  Highly relevant to his notability, since among his most important compositions are a number of religious works.   DGG ( talk ) 22:44, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge into Ludwig van Beethoven as per Hut 8.5. No-brainer to me. -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 14:42, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
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