Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Luis A. Cordero


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  Ryan Postlethwaite See the mess I've created or let's have banter 22:26, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Luis A. Cordero

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WP:Autobiography with no assertion of notability per WP:BIO or WP:AUTHOR, and no significant coverage online from WP:Reliable sources. Speedy deleted once A7 and twice G11 since April, but it doesn't meet either WP:Criteria for speedy deletion now, so taking it to AFD. Captain Conundrum (talk) 06:38, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Captain Conundrum (talk) 06:40, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions. Captain Conundrum (talk) 06:40, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions. Captain Conundrum (talk) 06:40, 5 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment. How do you know this is an autobiography? The creator's username sounds nothing like the subject's name.  Erpert  Who is this guy? 07:58, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The first two recent attempts to create this were by User talk:Luiscordero, who's been warned twice on his talk page about autobiographies. The third attempt was by the current editor, and I nominated it for speedy deletion G11. On his fourth attempt he contacted me politely at my talk page asking for review. I cleaned it up and edited it for a less promotional tone, but what's left has a problem with notability. I'm not an admin, so can't compare the original draft with the deleted ones, but I bet they're very close indeed. The level of unreferenced personal detail in the original version also suggest either autobio or close association. Just a hunch, so I'll strike through WP:AUTOBIO in the nomination rationale. Autobiography isn't a reason for deletion on its own, but it's relevant background for determining notability, IMHO. Captain Conundrum (talk) 08:13, 5 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello, I am the creator and editor of Luis A. Cordero. My name is Alicia Berrios, a student at Florida International University. On my first attempt I created an account under the luiscordero because i thought I had to do it under the name of the person that I was going to be writing about. So then I fixed that problem by creating an account under my name. I also did not have references listed and little by little I completed them. I have been figuring how to do all of this the right way by every mistake I have made. Luis A. Cordero was a former president of (AILA), he has achieved many notable awards, which I have pictures of and intend to add after I get this incident resolved. I don't want to advertise about him, but I want to be neutral. I have edited the information according to the notes I received. I hope I can get the help I need to move forward. I really appreciate your time and the help.
 * Truly yours, Alicia Berrios — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aberrios13 (talk • contribs) 17:24, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I have had a hard time navigating through Wikipedia and with the formulas for the references. Little by little I am learning my way. Thanks! Alicia Berrios — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aberrios13 (talk • contribs) 17:27, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * OMG Captain Conundrum, I just saw you edited my article and fixed my references. Thank you so much! Please advise what I need to do to improve the article. Thank you! ;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aberrios13 (talk • contribs) 17:31, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. There are lots of highly qualified lawyers out there, so we need WP:Secondary, WP:Reliable sources showing how he's notable enough for an encyclopaedia article per WP:Notability (people). This might be in the form of profiles, interviews or in-depth coverage, in mainstream press or law journals. Thanks, Captain Conundrum (talk) 06:22, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I have a lot of articles on him from newspapers, news, journals, awards, and other sources. I need to make a list of all this and added to the article. He is notable, there is no doubt on that fact. I have to be careful so that I don't make it sound as if I am advertising. I am working on it. Thank you.
 * Will adding pictures of the articles, awards, journals, news, and other sources help? Please let me know. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aberrios13 (talk • contribs)
 * It sounds like you have some sort of professional connection with the man, so it would be a good idea to have a read of WP:Conflict of interest. Before you go to a lot of trouble scanning his papers, you might want to list what they are here. Quality is more important than quantity. Thanks, Captain Conundrum (talk) 15:24, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't have connection with him. I have done research for this and been able to get information from newspapers archives and internet. I edited the article. I have few pictures to add, but I don't know how to do it. If there is anything else I can do, I would greatly appreciate it if you let me know. I want to complete this article to move to the next one. I have to say that this has been very challenging. Maybe we can keep in touch so that you can give me feed back in future articles. I am from Nicaragua and there are a lot of notable people, but is going to take me a long time because the information has to come from Nicaragua. Thank you for all your help. Alicia Berrios — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aberrios13 (talk • contribs) 15:32, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't understand the connection with Nicaragua, since the article says he's Cuban-American. But if there are reliable references from Nicaragua, then that would be great. Captain Conundrum (talk) 15:35, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I was born in Nicaragua, but I live in Miami, Florida. I study at Florida International University and a class in communication wanted us to do research on people from Miami and introduce it to Wikipedia. This article has no connection to the project from Nicaragua. Nicaragua is more of a personal project, because there is little known about important people. If I succeed at this article, then I most likely succeed with my future articles. Did you see my changes? Do you know how I can upload pictures. I am trying to figure it out. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aberrios13 (talk • contribs) 16:02, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Please ask at my talk page or see WP:HELP for questions about improving the article. Getting back to the notability question, you wrote above that it's "going to take me a long time because the information has to come from Nicaragua". Which information about this Cuban American needs to come from Nicaragua? Captain Conundrum (talk) 16:25, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't think you are understanding me. The Nicaraguan project which will take me a long time has "nothing" to do with the Cuban American attorney. This are two different projects. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aberrios13 (talk • contribs) 16:53, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Well this article may be deleted then, if it's not finished within the week, since WP:AFD discussions like this typically run for a week. It's better to take your time on one article, and then move on to another one, rather than work on many articles at once. We could always move this one to a WP:Subpage of your user page, and then you could take as long as you like to improve it.
 * Also, please remember to sign your posts here, as explained at your talk page. Thanks, Captain Conundrum (talk) 20:01, 7 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Good Morning Captain Conundrum, please review my article because I have made changes. What other changes do you want me to make? I am neutral.Alicia De Los Angeles Berrios 15:01, 11 June 2013 (UTC)Alicia Berrios
 * No changes have been made since we had that discussion above. Captain Conundrum (talk) 15:04, 11 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I edited the area you said (Which Awards). Do you want me to delete the last paragraph? That is the part that might sound like advertising, but I am only giving facts about his law firm. I don't mind erasing the last paragraph, what do you think? I don't see any other area as advertising. Alicia De Los Angeles Berrios 15:09, 11 June 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aberrios13 (talk • contribs)
 * It wasn't nominated for deletion on the grounds of advertising, but for lack of notability. There's still no indication of notability per WP:BIO. Captain Conundrum (talk) 15:20, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * According to the message it says that is considered; advertising, autobiography, and notability. I found an article, where he got a lot of media attention because he won an asylum case for a Russian-Jew who was almost killed in Russia and migrated to the United States. Should I mention that? In addition, there are a lot of awards/recognitions which are listed on his website on accolades. Please guide me.Alicia De Los Angeles Berrios 15:36, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Up at the top of this page, it just says notability. Several times in this discussion I've said the article needs WP:Secondary, WP:Reliable sources showing how he's notable enough for an encyclopaedia article per WP:Notability (people). His own website is a WP:Primary source, and so is of no use here. Captain Conundrum (talk) 15:52, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I added information about the Russian-Jew case.Please let me know what you think. Thank you! Alicia De Los Angeles Berrios 16:32, 11 June 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aberrios13 (talk • contribs)
 * Many changes have been made. What else do I need to do, so that Wikipedia accepts this article? Do I need to continue looking for more cases about Luis A. Cordero? Please advise. Thank you!Alicia De Los Angeles Berrios 17:34, 11 June 2013 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aberrios13 (talk • contribs)
 * We need to get WP:Consensus from more editors on his notability: only two have expressed an opinion here so far. Just be patient, and wait for more editors to give their opinions on his notability. Thank you. Captain Conundrum (talk) 17:46, 11 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar   &middot;   &middot;  18:27, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

 
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2013 June 12.  Snotbot   t &bull; c &raquo;  19:54, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar   &middot;   &middot;  18:37, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Userify or delete, based on content and, most particularly, recent edits by CC. Doesn't seem destined to become a decent article. --Elvey (talk) 17:16, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Good Morning Captain Conundrum, what is going on with Luis A. Cordero article? What does the Userify or delete mean? Let me know what else you want me to do. Thank you! Alicia De Los Angeles Berrios 14:21, 25 June 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aberrios13 (talk • contribs)
 * (in response to your note on my talk page and the above comment:) Read WP:USERFY.  Read (and reread) your talk page and this page and the pages linked to! --Elvey (talk) 17:40, 25 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete, appears to fail GNG; the mentions of a wildly non-notable book smack of promotion. Hairhorn (talk) 14:47, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.