Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Luis F. Emilio


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The result was no consensus. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:50, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Luis F. Emilio

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Seems to fail WP:NSOLDIER and WP:GNG. Was only a captain, which is not a high enough rank to get a NSOLDIER pass. He appears to have performed valiant actions during an assault on Battery Wagner (the battle in Glory (1989 film)), but probably not enough to pass the NSOLDIER requirement. He was brave, but didn't turn the tide in the battle. The two refs in the book are to the Official Records, which is a 19th-century collection of unedited official military reports (primary source) and to a book the subject wrote (not independent). A WP:BEFORE search turns up coverage not contributing to GNG: the text of his book (public domain), that a historical group has 11 boxes of his personal papers, a scan of a 1860s image of the subject A NYT piece is the only thing I've found that I would consider to be substantial. Mentioned at 54th Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry Regiment, probably best to redirect there. Taking this to AFD because it is a potentially controversial redirection. Hog Farm (talk) 04:31, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
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(1) One expects consistency in notability. There are plenty of entries of lesser notability. Here are three Wikipedia entries associated with the 54th which are of same or lesser notability (First sergeants or Corporals): [George E. Stephens]  [Robert John Simmons]  [James Henry Gooding] (2) Emilio intermittently commanded the 54th after the assault on Fort Wagner, so he was intermittently the regimental commander and effectively a colonel: From Robert Gould Shaw: "The command [the 54th] came with a colonelcy, the rank commensurate with the position of regimental commander." (3) More external entries: Wikia.org Written in Glory All Biographies Alchetron.com | WikiVisually.com (4) | Worldcat Identity Entry Works:	34 works in 110 publications in 3 languages and 1,607 library holdings. (5) The catalog of the button collection, "The Emilio Collection Of Military Buttons: American, British, French And Spanish, With Some Of Other Countries, And Non-military, In The Museum Of The ... Catalog With Historical Notes And Ten Plates", is in print; shows as being reprinted at August 8, 2015, on | Emilio Collection... Combined with Hog Farm and Eddie891's coverage, this gets him by NPERSON or NSOLDIER #8, or both.--Kab42edit --Kab42edit (talk) 00:39, 16 June 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete fails WP:SOLDIER and WP:GNG. Mztourist (talk) 07:45, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak keep In addition to Hog Farm's coverage, he's also listed as a notable new yorker in the past, gets two (ish) pages in Conflagration: How the Transcendentalists Sparked the American Struggle for Racial, Gender, and Social Justice and had a button collection that was apparently well regarded, a one-paragraph obituary in the NYT, and (modern) Boston globe article. His main work appears to be held in 331 libraries, and the reprint in 484 which is decent, and it seems to be rather widely cited on top of that. I think that's enough to scrape by NPERSON or maybe NSOLDIER #8, as his book and collections are well regarded. Eddie891 Talk Work 14:56, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Also, coverage in A Companion to the U.S. Civil War and African American Women During the Civil War and Civil War Times Eddie891 Talk Work 15:00, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 04:15, 21 June 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 03:40, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


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