Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Luke Duval


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The result was   delete. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 08:25, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Luke Duval

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A ''self-taught fashion, beauty, and celebrity photographer [. . . whose] photography career started in 2004 with the purchase of his first camera.'' And just four years later, he started this article about himself. A Vietnamese American, he's been profiled by a magazine for Vietnamese Americans. In 2007, he got his first major break in the fashion photography world when he won the 10th Annual Avant Guardian Award from Surface. I can't claim much of a knowledge of the fashion photography world, but this article tells you and me that the award went to twelve photographers (thirteen if "Reed + Rader" are two) that year. Google has not terribly many hits for this achievement, and I start to wonder if the Avant Guardian Award is really that big a deal. Luke Duval (Vu) certainly has his fans (see the article's discussion page), but neither he nor they nor anyone else has come back to put more meat into the article since it was slapped with a "Notability" template in August. Duval did indeed win Pilsner Urquell International Photography Awards in 2006, but, uh, so did quite a number of people. I think what we have here is one of those "emerging" artists (or anyway artisans) who should be allowed to emerge and bloom before getting the articles that their blooms will then merit, and which won't need to be written by themselves. -- Hoary (talk) 14:27, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Photography-related deletion discussions.   —Hoary (talk) 14:37, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions.   —Hoary (talk) 14:37, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Perhaps some years from now, there will be enough material for somebody to write something about this guy, but not yet now. --Crusio (talk) 14:48, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Nom seems to get it right. An aspiring photographer that hasn't achieved the kind of coverage that would warrant inclusion per notability guidelines. ChildofMidnight (talk) 08:13, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep and clean up. Awards etc won by subject are verifiable. They are no less substantial as those conferring Wikipedia notability in other fields. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 17:00, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: There are two award events cited. I don't believe that either gets that much attention, even if the associated beer does. Neither is in Category:Photography awards but then neither is the genuinely notable Deutsche Börse Photography Prize so I won't hold lack of an article against it; still, it seems safe to say that winning at either is neither an acknowledgement of nor a passport into renown. One is handed out by a somewhat obscure fashion magazine, a dozen at a time, to people who haven't had editorial features. It appears to be a "promising newcomers" award (plural intentional), and seems little noted beyond the blogosphere. As for the beery one, see my comment below. -- Hoary (talk) 01:15, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Those so-called other winners were in different categories or won something below 1st prize. The number of winners here is not really relevant. - Mgm|(talk) 20:18, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: That first prize was for a nonprofessional photographer of advertising. To me, nonprofessional advertising photographer sounds an oxymoron: why would you help advertise a product if not for money? Well, to show that you've mastered some skills that can turn you into a notable pro photographer. So again, it's a "promising newcomers" or "may go far" award. If he has promise, excellent: let's see the promise flourish, and when it does flourish (books, solo exhibitions, etc) he'll deserve and get his article, written by somebody other than himself. -- Hoary (talk) 01:15, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete This photographer is promising but not notable, once he crosses over into the mainstream fashion magazines perhaps he will be ready.MagazineHound (talk) 05:31, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


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