Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Luke Milanzi (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure)  Onel 5969  TT me 12:25, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Luke Milanzi
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Article that was previously deleted in 2010 following AfD. The article is about a footballer that has never played in a fully-pro league, although he did play 20 minutes in a single FIFA-recognized friendly international match (which occurred after the original AfD). The article doesn't appear to satisfy the GNG as the coverage is routine (particularly the coverage of the match against Zimbabwe that *might* give him notability), and some of the negative content is only supported by blog postings. Jogurney (talk) 00:28, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
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 * Keep - subject of the article has played in a FIFA-recognized international match, thus satisfying WP:NFOOTY. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 05:04, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - subject passes WP:NFOOTBALL having appeared in a senior international match. Kosack (talk) 07:37, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment - I believe there is a long-standing consensus that a very minimual amount of play in a senior international match is not enough to satisfy NFOOTBALL without some evidence that the article passes the GNG. See, among others, Articles for deletion/Cosmos Munegabe. Jogurney (talk) 13:23, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Though normally for players who are well past their prime, and are unlikely to ever appear anywhere that meets WP:NFOOTY again. In the case of a 22-year old though, a minimal amount of play is normally enough to create the article. Could always bring it back for deletion in 2030 or so, if nothing else happens. Nfitz (talk) 14:40, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Or we could delete now, and somebody could recreate it in 2030 if there are sources to establish compliance with the GNG. Jogurney (talk) 14:55, 22 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment - Just re-checked WP:NFOOTBALL, which clearly states that "Players who have played in, and managers who have managed in any Tier 1 International Match" are notable. It also states that "For the purposes of this guideline, played means having appeared in a match either in the starting line-up or coming on as a substitute. Therefore, Milanzi is notable enough to warrant a page. Seeing as he is only 22 and on loan from one of the biggest clubs in Africa, having also been called up to the Malawi National Side in 2015, I think it's logical to keep the page as this player could quite possibly make another senior international appearance. Davidlofgren1996 (talk) 17:44, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't dispute Milanzi's appearance in that solitary match (I even added a reference to the article to support it). I do disagree with all of the comments above which suggest NFOOTBALL as a free pass from the general notability guideline. It is a presumption of notability based on our collective experience that articles about senior international footballers are typically able to satisfy the GNG. I don't think that's the case here - although there is some coverage in Malawi and Zimbabwe sources, it is all routine and not significant. I'll gladly withdraw the nomination if it can be shown otherwise. Jogurney (talk) 18:17, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
 * although WP:NFOOTY is sometimes overruled by WP:COMMONSENSE (such as here) I don't believe it applies to this case. Milanzi (the subject in question) has played a fully international match and plays for one of the most well known football clubs on the African contentment. More so he is still relatively young and still playing. WP:COMMONSENSE would suggest that in all likely hood Milanzi will continue to play in some notable games, such as the 2017 CAF Champions League which TP Mazembe will take part in. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 19:54, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I understand, but I don't see any sign that this player is likely to figure into TP Mazembe's Champions League plans. There are exactly 3 mentions of him on the club's website (2 involve an injury he sustained in 2011 and 1 involves a loan to a local affiliate club in 2012). It's unclear whether he remains under contract - the most recent source mentioning his association with TP Mazembe was an article from October 2016. Jogurney (talk) 21:46, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep Passes WP:NFOOTY. I don't even know why we're having this discussion. Smartyllama (talk) 13:33, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - meets WP:NFOOTY. There's quite a lot of media references to this young Malawian player - however the scope of the articles don't quite meet WP:GNG; though I'm seeing a lot more coverage of him, than I do for many a player who plays in a supposedly fully-professional 2nd tier European league. Article is very well referenced. Nfitz (talk) 14:39, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
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 * Keep - has played in international matches for his country, meets WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 13:05, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - I don't see why his international appearances wouldn't make him suitable for an article. Smmurphy(Talk) 14:28, 25 February 2017 (UTC)


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