Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lumber Cartel 3rd attempt


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Lumber Cartel
The result was withdrawn by nominator &mdash; it looks like Dhartung did manage to find some reliable and non-trivial sources. The article still needs cleaning up, but now should not have to be deleted. *** Crotalus *** 01:30, 29 December 2007 (UTC) AfDs for this article: 
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Self-referential Usenet silliness with lack of reliable sources. The external links are highly questionable: Usenet posts, a couple of joke sites, a dead link to an alleged article in Gambling Magazine (whatever that is; it doesn't have a Wikipedia entry). The article in Wired would usually be a reliable source, except that this one has a specific disclaimer at the top saying some of the information could not be verified. The Salon entry mentions it once, in passing: "Some anti-spammers, who have loosely grouped themselves under the name the Lumber Cartel, are already calling for retaliation against the DMA and its members." We're writing an article based on this? It may have passed muster a couple of years ago, but Wikipedia should have outgrown the Internet-inside-baseball crap by now. *** Crotalus *** 00:12, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Content is not verifiable in reliable sources, and notability is tenuous at best.  --lifebaka (Talk - Contribs) 00:49, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. I have added two book citations that are more than passing mentions. Though largely forgotten today, this was notable once, and notability does not expire. --Dhartung | Talk 00:50, 29 December 2007 (UTC)


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