Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lunchroom scene


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Delete -- JForget 00:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Lunchroom scene

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Where to begin? This is a stub for an article that should never be, a list of every scene where high school students sit down to eat lunch. The Saved by the Bell segment alone would be enormous if anyone ever cared enough to complete the article. Kww (talk) 02:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * delete original research essay. Ridernyc (talk) 02:53, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Article appears to be original research in violation of WP:NOR and contains no notability per WP:N and no references per WP:V. Mh29255 (talk) 03:24, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The nominator's description of the article is incorrect. It's not a class of scene (film) in a television programme or a scene (fiction) in fiction.  It's a scene &mdash; a situation or a set of circumstances.  And no, it's not original research, either.  Journalist and anthropologist Moss documents it on page 25 of ISBN 0812218515, saying some of the very same things that this article does.  Psychotherapists McCune and Traunstein write about it on page 83 of ISBN 0890878811.  Uncle G (talk) 03:32, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete should've been WP:SNOW Doc Strange (talk) 03:54, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak delete it wouldn't surprise me to learn that there are academic WP:RS out there for this common phenomenon but none are in evidence. JJL (talk) 04:51, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong delete. Complete WP:OR  --  Wikipedical (talk) 06:10, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Correct me if I'm wrong, but WP:OR is not a candidate for speedy deletion... --Badger Drink (talk) 07:22, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * You're right, misspoke. --  Wikipedical (talk) 20:10, 28 December 2007 (UTC)


 * A Very Strong Delete. Not notable, term not used commonly, no references at all, etc. At least a social situation like this one must be documented as an external source. --Jw 21 / PenaltyKillah VANucks 06:27, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Neutral, leaning towards weak delete Faulty nom. As previously stated, this is not List of lunch room scenes in popular culture, but rather a psychological term. It may, however, fall under the category of neologisms, and while the concept is usually discussed briefly in developmental psychology books (in the context of group dynamics within adolesence), the results for the term itself on Google Scholar and Google Books are paltry to the point where it's probably best considered a non-notable neologism. A single reliable source, though, would be enough for me to flip-flop - someone with access to ProQuest should probably step in. --Badger Drink (talk) 07:22, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. I get Uncle G's suggestion about how to salvage this along the lines of our woeful coverage at Youth_culture, but I'm not convinced the term is really the best one or that the experience is uniquely notable enough to deserve an article. (For one thing, the presence of this scene in movies is evidence that it's really a more common phenomenon to be the outsider in high school, something few of us realize at the time. There's a link to brain development of adolescents there as well.) As for the critical aspect, it's simply not a widespread enough term or evidently much studied in any serious way. We could have an article about youth subculture in film as that's a whole nother ball of wax, but again this isn't a good start in that direction. We are not a directory of every "TV trope" somebody notices. --Dhartung | Talk 08:46, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. Funny thing is that the "Lunchroom scene" is ubiquitous in most teen movies and is definitely a notable part of our culture. Hell, it is even a part of many prison movies. Hard to believe that no RS has taken note of this. --Alfadog (talk) 15:58, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete this, as being a very poor thing, but if it gets one of Uncle G's rewrites please consider this !vote struck. Guy (Help!) 17:44, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete because of the lack of sources, and the fact that google search gives a somewhat different meaning to "lunchroom scene" than what is written here. Nom may be right that this was intended as a stub for the pop culture references to be added.  There is some discussion in books about the concept of a lunchroom scene as a literary device to bring together diverse characters in a common setting.  However, the author here is talking more about a real life, every day event (in high school), almost like a "bad hair day", rather than a metaphor used by Hemingway or Thomas Wolfe.  Mandsford (talk) 19:03, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * You are right, the article is mainly about adolescent angst, not about the common movie plot device I was thinking of. --Alfadog (talk) 19:13, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as original research and neologism.-h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 19:46, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete what the hell is going on here Coccyx Bloccyx (talk) 21:23, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I vote to give a big hug to the author of the article. Watchsmart (talk) 00:05, 28 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.