Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lyalya Bezhetskaya


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 12:57, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Lyalya Bezhetskaya

 * ( [ delete] ) – (View AfD) (View log)

Probable autobiography of Russian burlesque performer. Lacks reliable sources and none found via Google. (I don't see any claim of notability, but this was previously deleted as a speedy delete, then recreated with the CSD tag intact and an admin declined the speedy delete.)  Delicious carbuncle (talk) 02:08, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - Could not find any reliable sources that verifies her claim to notability. Perhaps someone can research russian reliable sources? Morbidthoughts (talk) 03:11, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - No reliable sources. I couldn't find anything else on Google about her. Since the article may have been created by the subject, we should be slow to trust claims of notability made in the article. Can't confirm from Google that a 'Shkatulka' burlesque theater ever existed in Russia. Our article on the American burlesque performer Dita von Teese makes no mention that she ever visited Russia, as claimed in this article. Burlesqueen has also added a paragraph about Bezhetskaya to our article on Burlesque, but without providing any sources. EdJohnston (talk) 04:37, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - in Cyrillic, seems to be Ляля Бежецкая. Some sources locatable, of difficult to determine notability.  I'd be open to a second opinion from a Russian speaker on the viability of the various sources, of course. Wily D  13:17, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 10:29, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 10:30, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. My Russian's a bit rusty, but I can see that these articles in a Russian newspaper and this one in a Byelorussian one are about her, and she gets another shorter mention in that paper plus some mentions in Komsomolskaya Pravda and this one in an Interfax report. I think there's just about enough there for notability. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:33, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * If we work off the Russian-language sources, we can be slightly more confident that she is notable. But then we are left with an English article for which 99% of the content can't be verified from any source published in English. Are you (or someone in this discussion) qualified to provide enough translations of the Russian to substantiate the detailed biographical narrative that is now included in the article? Should we stub it down to a remnant? EdJohnston (talk) 06:12, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * English-language sources are not now, and have never been, a requirement for sourcing. In fact, in our quest to write a good neutral point of view encyclopaedia, we need to lean less on them. Wily D  15:17, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 05:09, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete - Vanityspam.  What is about this claim of being the first burlesque in the entire country of Russia, ever?  Extraordinary claims demand the most reliable sources. Bearian (talk) 19:05, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. Just because one claim in the article may be untrue it doesn't mean that the whole article has to be deleted. Notability is based on coverage in reliable sources, not the claim to be first in the field. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:33, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.