Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lydia Gromyko


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Any other decision at this point in the discussion would involve with me basing the closure on my own opinion which is permitted. So, no consensus it is and it might be suitable to have another AFD after a suitable period of time has passed (weeks or months, not days). Liz Read! Talk! 05:49, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Lydia Gromyko

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Notability is not inherited; not notable in herself but only as the spouse of a notable person. All sources are minor or in passing, so WP:BIOFAMILY. Merger with Andrei Gromyko might be suitable. TransporterMan ( TALK ) 16:35, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians, Women,  and Russia.  TransporterMan  ( TALK ) 16:35, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Belarus-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:49, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  23:33, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
 * ru:Громыко, Лидия Дмитриевна was deleted in March 2020. Absolutely nothing remarkable in the biography. She played no role in the political life of the USSR. --Khinkali (talk) 15:16, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star   Mississippi  02:55, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. First, the relevant rule. WP:BIOFAMILY consists of the following two sentences: Being related to a notable person in itself confers no degree of notability upon that person. Articles about notable people that mention their family members in passing do not, in themselves, show that a family member is notable. (My emphasis.) In other words, the fact of being related to a notable person has neither a positive nor a negative effect, and likewise the fact that a person received coverage only because of their relationship to another person also does not detract from the value of such sources. Moving on: I can't evaluate any Russian sources (although they seem numerous), but even in the Western press she attracted sufficient coverage to support a basic article. This 1959 Der Spiegel piece has brief but nontrivial detail, as do the numerous stories around her being selected to escort Nancy Reagan around Leningrad four decades later. Moreover, despite her deliberately low profile, she was sometimes noted for her own diplomatic activity, whether advocating for a limited test ban treaty in the 1960s or warning Nelson Rockefeller about Cuba in 1943. On the whole, this is a bit of an awkward one as, at least in the Western press, Gromyko was mostly noted for not being very noticeable -- but at any rate she was noted for it, quite widely and over many decades. A merge to Andrei Gromyko wouldn't be the worst thing, but having an article about two different people is always going to be a bit awkward and doesn't work well with things like categories. Given that she meets the standard criterion of article-worthiness I am inclined to think that the articles should be kept separate. -- Visviva (talk) 02:09, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Final relist Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:53, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete I was originally a merge, but there's nothing really to merge - everything that you would merge is already in her husband's article in some form. Almost all of the sources in the article are on him, not her, and is not enough to support GNG/a standalone article. SportingFlyer  T · C  20:33, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Redirect to Andrei Gromyko. There are multiple sources about the Nancy Reagan incident, but that was typical "what message is Russia sending?" cold war speculation. Being able to cobble together biographical details isn't enough to support a stand-alone article for a person who was only given any attention at all because of her spouse. Schazjmd   (talk)  17:45, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I left a note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Soviet Union asking for opinions. -- A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 20:32, 17 July 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.