Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lydia Lucy


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The result was nomination withdrawn. Thanks to those whose google-fu was better than mine. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  09:33, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Lydia Lucy

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This article is cited to our "old favourites" of The Sun, the Daily Mail and the Daily Mirror and a search for sources shows the same (eg: "The Voice babe strips off to pose with giant rabbit"). That's just not good enough for a BLP. I tried to cleanup some of the worst offenders some time back but was reverted for no reason. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  09:55, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
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 * DeleteWill.iam may have claimed he's going to turn her into a star but he hasn't actually done so yet. Zero appearances on any music chart. Her appearances on the X Factor and The Voice can be covered in the respective articles on the shows – no need for a standalone. About the only coverage I can find that isn't tabloid is that she's appearing in panto in Northampton in December.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:59, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
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 * Keep I've deleted the tabloid sources, there was definitely an issue with the sourcing. The coverage that I found and added was from The Independent, Telegraph, Evening Times, Radio Times, as well as local coverage in Romford Recorder, Wilmslow Guardian and Brentwood Gazette. I think that would count for WP:GNG: significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. There is a significant amount of coverage in national publications, but is it in depth? That's certainly questionable, but as per WP:GNG WP:BASIC, the amount of sources added together meet it. She also meets WP:ENT #2, as she gained national coverage for her roles in multiple notable shows, in this case X Factor, The Voice and TOWIE, three very well-known shows in the UK. Also and, why have you voted for deletion rather than a redirect to her series ofThe Voice, which is the show she is best known for? That is a clear WP:ATD, and if it did turn out that she was not notable but maybe it was WP:TOOSOON, the content would still be in the edit history. I do think it passes the threshold though, just. Boleyn (talk) 18:38, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I came across most of those sources in my own research; my problem is that they don't seem to amount to "significant" coverage - they are mainly trivial mentions by TV reviewers of the X Factor or The Voice, and I don't see why a brief mention of her at The X Factor (UK series 10) and The Voice UK (series 5) is not sufficient. The problem with a redirect is deciding which target - a case could be made for both of those shows.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:09, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, . I meant to link to WP:BASIC: If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability. That's not a guarantee of notability, but there are numerous articles on her in national publications for four reasons: being a stand-in for Fergie in the Black Eyed Peas, coming second in The Voice, getting a lot of airtime on The X Factor and being in TOWIE. Getting coverage for these different things also confirms WP:ENT #2. As for WP:ATD, I think The Voice, where she came second, is the clear primary over TOWIE and The X Factor, where she failed to make the final 24. Boleyn (talk) 19:24, 22 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep - Notability (person) says a first, second or third place win in a major music competition qualifies for N. Atsme 📞📧 14:12, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah, WP:MUSICBIO #9. I'd missed that one, well done, . Boleyn (talk) 15:42, 24 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Changing to Keep as she meets WP:MUSICBIO.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:07, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * , have the arguments convinced you to consider withdrawing the nomination or do you think she doesn't meet WP:MUSICBIO #9? Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 20:20, 25 September 2017 (UTC)


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